What Say You?

[tongueriver]

Here is the Schrade Cutlery Company offering of interest, same page (31) as other knife, 1926 Catalog E.

[ScoutKnives]

To many red flags IMO , 2 different handles , master blade obviously cleaned and those blades in that frame are odd .
No original patina gets a

[wlf]

Seller has some excellent knives and most are priced very high.I have bought a few over the years.

Ah Ha. The herd was culled before.

[tongueriver]

I don't understand why so many people think that this knife is some kind of counterfeit. Schrade, and other companies were happy to make substitutions of various kinds that did not quite fit the catalog pages, to make a customer happy. I think the knife is absolutely authentic, but heavily worn, cleaned and priced too high.

[JohnR]

I don't understand why so many people think that this knife is some kind of counterfeit. Schrade, and other companies were happy to make substitutions of various kinds that did not quite fit the catalog pages, to make a customer happy. I think the knife is absolutely authentic, but heavily worn, cleaned and priced too high.

Cal, I agree with you,I think it is legit, what really is known about the early days of Schrade? A company of this era would not have thrown away good blades but would've used them up even if they only made a few examples.

It is even occurring today with GEC, I personally have a 1of1, 1of6, 1of9, etc in my collection and I know they are legit as I purchased them at the Rendezvous from GEC's store case, they don't show up in GEC's production totals, I imagine collectors having the same conversation over these knives 100 years from now.

Just as an example here is a more recent thread about a Queen Winchester Barlow that I have where it was called a fake and turned out to be a factory made knife. Whats to say the same thing did not occur in the early 1900s or any other time for that matter.


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[JAMESC41001]

Interesting conversation. I like to keep an eye on this seller as well. I also found the file to be a wierd combination but don’t doubt it’s a ligit Schrade. It occurs to me that this looks to be made inbeteen world wars so it’s not really a military contract knife so it’s not fair to judge it as such.the military would have ordered it with rubber handles or something like that. If it was mint unused it would bring at least double that price but after the beaten and cleaning it took the price is high. My guess is this one is not going to make it into your collection Charlie.

[tongueriver]

My guess is this one is not going to make it into your collection Charlie.

If you are referencing certain jolly Canadians, I think he rarely descends to the bramble-strewn path of Ebay.

[JAMESC41001]

Yes, I think he’s just getting us all riled up.

[kootenay joe]

He is referencing Charlie N. who started this thread, not the jolly West Coast Canadian who resembles Santa Claus.
kj

[tongueriver]

Oh.

[wlf]

I don't get the great difference in the handles. Makes for interesting conversation.

[btrwtr]

I don't understand why so many people think that this knife is some kind of counterfeit. Schrade, and other companies were happy to make substitutions of various kinds that did not quite fit the catalog pages, to make a customer happy. I think the knife is absolutely authentic, but heavily worn, cleaned and priced too high.

I can tend to be pessimistic about such things but there is enough about this knife that doesn't sit right with me that I am more likely to say no than yes when it come to being original.

Never seen or heard of such a knife before.
Heavily buffed. That in itself is enough for me to question a knife as being original.
Inconsistent handle wear and jigging.

Inconclusive as so many things are but I'm inclined to think Frankenknife before I'd say original. I'd be hard pressed to put anything more than money as a good user in it.

[kootenay joe]

With a used vintage knife that is all original, have it in hand and you KNOW it has not been altered. You don't know because you have inspected every little detail. You know from just being in the presence of the knife. I cannot explain it any better but i am sure every experienced collector here has had this feeling or experience.
If a knife brings uncertainty into your thoughts then likely it has been altered. Not definitely, but probably.
kj

[ea42]

Definitely a legit knife guys, although with quite a bit of pocket wear on the mark side. Looks like the main blade may have seen the buffer too. I've got one just like it. Not a Navy knife but a fancier civilian version with the old pick bone jigging:

Eric

[tongueriver]

Definitely a legit knife guys, although with quite a bit of pocket wear on the mark side. Looks like the main blade may have seen the buffer too. I've got one just like it. Not a Navy knife but a fancier civilian version with the old pick bone jigging:

Schrade Navy_225.JPG

Eric

What I sed.

[ScoutKnives]

I don’t believe anyone has said a thing about it being counterfeit , just saying the knife had been monkeyed with to the point were it has to many red flags .
The newly posted example is a very nice knife and obviously original .

Mike

Definitely a legit knife guys, although with quite a bit of pocket wear on the mark side. Looks like the main blade may have seen the buffer too. I've got one just like it. Not a Navy knife but a fancier civilian version with the old pick bone jigging:

Schrade Navy_225.JPG

Eric

What I sed.

[kootenay joe]

Great thread with a good 'lesson'. Most of us have been fooled by a skillfully reworked vintage knife. Here is an example of the opposite: an authentic knife that raised suspicions about it's authenticity leading to thoughts that it is a re-work.
Calvin with experience and a catalog picture and then Eric with another example, and much direct Schrade experience, proved it to be all original.
The 'lesson' ? I suppose is to keep an open mind and consult with colleagues.
kj

[kootenay joe]

"just saying the knife had been monkeyed with"
To me, cleaning and/or buffing is not "monkeying". Most of us clean our old knives to some degree, even if very superficial to remove surface 'gunk'.
I see "monkeyed" as meaning parts swapped.
kj

[ScoutKnives]

Good point , monkeyed with was probably not the best word to describe the OP knife , cleaned to the point were it causes red flags
BTW my definition of “monkeyed with” simply means messed with and not in original condition .

"just saying the knife had been monkeyed with"
To me, cleaning and/or buffing is not "monkeying". Most of us clean our old knives to some degree, even if very superficial to remove surface 'gunk'.
I see "monkeyed" as meaning parts swapped.
kj

[tongueriver]

They are out there.

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[kootenay joe]

Gorilla with beautiful eyes.
kj

[btrwtr]

Great post with lots of good input. AAPK members have once again come to the rescue.

The knife Eric posted is a beautiful example of what I like to see in a vintage knife. It shows that such a knife was made and that the OP knife could indeed be all original. All in all I still don't like the OP knife or it's pricing. It has enough about it to keep me away.

[RobesonsRme.com]

Thanks to all that participated.

Eric's knife is definitive.

Charlie (Not The Canadian) Noyes

[tongueriver]

That cat on Ebay that is the purveyor of the O.P. knife is going at it with a vengeance, some of which are really nice, but the prices! Oh, the prices! I guess I will continue to prowl less-exalted halls.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/union_razor/m. ... 7675.l2562

[gsmith7158]

That cat on Ebay that is the purveyor of the O.P. knife is going at it with a vengeance, some of which are really nice, but the prices! Oh, the prices! I guess I will continue to prowl less-exalted halls.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/union_razor/m. ... 7675.l2562

He does have some nice ones Cal. If he gets $275 for that Empire easy open I may have to list all of mine.