Let's see the medium stockman/and/or jacks @ 3 5/16"
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Let's see the medium stockman/and/or jacks @ 3 5/16"
I will start it with an old pattern.
I have some more that are a little later production but let's see yours!Re: Let's see the medium stockman/and/or jacks @ 3 5/16"
I really like this size for jacks. I have a few stockmans too but the 3-1/4 jacks are what I always seem to be subconsciously looking for. I prefer the rounded boslters - what a lot of people here call slenderinos. Should medium slenderinos be called medianos?
Anyway here's the group shot and I'll break them down by brand too. All in the IKAC family but Schrade never put its name on a 3-1/4 jack with rounded bolsters.
The whole gang: Some Imperials. That Kameo Karved Wonda Blade at the end is one of my favorites. The second from the left is not a shell. It's actually an Imperial stamped Ulster. My favorites, the Ulsters. The threaded bolster knife is my favorite in this group - it's from the 40s. A couple of Kingstons. I believe the black one is 40s and the brown one 50s. A Craftsman 9541 made by Ulster. Same knife as the Imperial above. A couple of Shapleighs. The yellow one is a DE235, it's a carbon copy of the Ulster 50Y. I don't have a pattern number for the black one but it seems to be identical to the black Kingston above. John Primbles - the green bone is an Ulster 50G and the Delrin one is the same as the Craftsman 9541 which is the same as the Imperial - all Ulsters. Keen Kutters - these are kind of neat because these two knives are the only two I've ever seen. From my perspective both pretty rare. The yellow is a K235 which is the same as the Shapleigh DE235 above - both of them are Ulster 50Ys. Sparkles is a K2 and it's built on a slightly beefier Camillus frame. Not IKAC but a close cousin - a couple of Camillus'. The red one's a CAMCO. Here are a couple of Japanese Globe Masters from the 50s. If it were transistor radios or sneakers you'd call these knock-offs. Same term apply for knives? Not sure.
Anyway here's the group shot and I'll break them down by brand too. All in the IKAC family but Schrade never put its name on a 3-1/4 jack with rounded bolsters.
The whole gang: Some Imperials. That Kameo Karved Wonda Blade at the end is one of my favorites. The second from the left is not a shell. It's actually an Imperial stamped Ulster. My favorites, the Ulsters. The threaded bolster knife is my favorite in this group - it's from the 40s. A couple of Kingstons. I believe the black one is 40s and the brown one 50s. A Craftsman 9541 made by Ulster. Same knife as the Imperial above. A couple of Shapleighs. The yellow one is a DE235, it's a carbon copy of the Ulster 50Y. I don't have a pattern number for the black one but it seems to be identical to the black Kingston above. John Primbles - the green bone is an Ulster 50G and the Delrin one is the same as the Craftsman 9541 which is the same as the Imperial - all Ulsters. Keen Kutters - these are kind of neat because these two knives are the only two I've ever seen. From my perspective both pretty rare. The yellow is a K235 which is the same as the Shapleigh DE235 above - both of them are Ulster 50Ys. Sparkles is a K2 and it's built on a slightly beefier Camillus frame. Not IKAC but a close cousin - a couple of Camillus'. The red one's a CAMCO. Here are a couple of Japanese Globe Masters from the 50s. If it were transistor radios or sneakers you'd call these knock-offs. Same term apply for knives? Not sure.
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Wow! What a show! The Ulster and Kingston connection led me to dig out these notes I had stored, which might be of interest, but let us not get too sidetracked here after this.
"In 1946, Albert Baer, under Kingston Cutlery Company, bought Schrade Cutlery Company and renamed it the Schrade Walden Cutlery Corporation. It became a division of Imperial Knife Associated Companies Group which includes Imperial Knife Company, Inc. of Providence, R.I., Ulster Knife Company Inc. of Ellenville, N.Y.,Schrade Walden Cutlery Corp., of Walden N.Y., and Kingston Cutlery Co., addressed New York, N.Y.
With the newly formed association of the four major cutlerys, IKAC was able to “...provide the cutlery trade with an all-embracing selection of merchandise and values, with a price structure that will meet every possible retailing need. The IMPERIAL-ULSTER-KINGSTON-SCHRADE amalgamation now makes possible a combined line which will include every conceivable type and variety of pocket knife, at prices ingeniously devised to meet competition in all price brackets, from lowest to highest.”
This pricing spread was generally Imperial as the lowest with the shell handled knives, Midgets, Jackmasters and Hammerbrands., Kingston as better constructed low end working knives, Ulsters as mid range knives, and Schrade Waldens as the upper price point knives.
Kingston sales was good through the late 1940's through mid 1950's, but began to slip in the late 1950's, and for many reasons, the Kingston line was basically reabsorbed into the Ulster line which itself saw fading sales. IKAC announced to it’s salesmen in 1960 that the Kingston line was to be discontinued as stocks were sold down. The Kingston lineup went from the fifteen patterns initially listed in the ‘40s to nine in 1959, then four by 1964, then from 1968 through 1972, only the K-29 electrician’s knife was left. By then, even the Ulster brand was losing popularity. One reason seldom mentioned, but historically significant, was the period of Irish history known as “The Troubles”. Salesmen reported back to the headquarters that in certain areas of the U.S., knives with the Ulster stamp were nearly impossible to sell. Thus, eventually the Ulster mark was phased out as well, used sporadically on special limited editions, like the Boy Scout Anniversary knife.
I find it ironic that both Kingston, which bought Schrade, and Ulster, which spawned Kingston, were both reduced to divisions of Schrade Walden, and Imperial, which facilitated the Schrade Walden / Schrade Cutlery’s meteoric rise eventually was reduced to a branding used by Schrade. Yes, there were many “shuffling of the cards” over the years, but these four combined companies once ruled the cutlery market in a way that few companies have done in other industries. When you add in Camillus cutlery, also a Baer family enterprise, the percentage of the U.S. cutlery market controlled for many years is astounding."
"In 1946, Albert Baer, under Kingston Cutlery Company, bought Schrade Cutlery Company and renamed it the Schrade Walden Cutlery Corporation. It became a division of Imperial Knife Associated Companies Group which includes Imperial Knife Company, Inc. of Providence, R.I., Ulster Knife Company Inc. of Ellenville, N.Y.,Schrade Walden Cutlery Corp., of Walden N.Y., and Kingston Cutlery Co., addressed New York, N.Y.
With the newly formed association of the four major cutlerys, IKAC was able to “...provide the cutlery trade with an all-embracing selection of merchandise and values, with a price structure that will meet every possible retailing need. The IMPERIAL-ULSTER-KINGSTON-SCHRADE amalgamation now makes possible a combined line which will include every conceivable type and variety of pocket knife, at prices ingeniously devised to meet competition in all price brackets, from lowest to highest.”
This pricing spread was generally Imperial as the lowest with the shell handled knives, Midgets, Jackmasters and Hammerbrands., Kingston as better constructed low end working knives, Ulsters as mid range knives, and Schrade Waldens as the upper price point knives.
Kingston sales was good through the late 1940's through mid 1950's, but began to slip in the late 1950's, and for many reasons, the Kingston line was basically reabsorbed into the Ulster line which itself saw fading sales. IKAC announced to it’s salesmen in 1960 that the Kingston line was to be discontinued as stocks were sold down. The Kingston lineup went from the fifteen patterns initially listed in the ‘40s to nine in 1959, then four by 1964, then from 1968 through 1972, only the K-29 electrician’s knife was left. By then, even the Ulster brand was losing popularity. One reason seldom mentioned, but historically significant, was the period of Irish history known as “The Troubles”. Salesmen reported back to the headquarters that in certain areas of the U.S., knives with the Ulster stamp were nearly impossible to sell. Thus, eventually the Ulster mark was phased out as well, used sporadically on special limited editions, like the Boy Scout Anniversary knife.
I find it ironic that both Kingston, which bought Schrade, and Ulster, which spawned Kingston, were both reduced to divisions of Schrade Walden, and Imperial, which facilitated the Schrade Walden / Schrade Cutlery’s meteoric rise eventually was reduced to a branding used by Schrade. Yes, there were many “shuffling of the cards” over the years, but these four combined companies once ruled the cutlery market in a way that few companies have done in other industries. When you add in Camillus cutlery, also a Baer family enterprise, the percentage of the U.S. cutlery market controlled for many years is astounding."
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The Silver Anniversary.
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Most of mine are of the rounded bolster and drop point blade variety. But here are a few, some not so exotic. I almost forgot I had some of these and didn't have room for the 34OT.
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Mustanger that is a nice lineup. I am always drawn to the 1980's heritage series, such beautifully made knives.
Here is a couple of garden variety ones that I already had a picture of.
Here is a couple of garden variety ones that I already had a picture of.
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Cal, thanks for adding that info. I didn't know the Kingston name survived into the 70s. Good stuff
And a few more:
Ulster 55 A sample room 34OT
And a few more:
Ulster 55 A sample room 34OT
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Absolutely beautiful knives shown here.
Well, I'll step in here with this 832.
Well, I'll step in here with this 832.
Joe
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Propwood, Stratawood or Wondawood; I don't know the difference but I like the 1950s and 1960s Schrade knives with these handles.
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Here's a couple more that I have.
A great show of knives.
A great show of knives.
Joe
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I like that one! I have an Ulster (above) with the same handlesFRJ wrote:Here's a nice little Kingston.
A couple of Old Craftys - 9546 & 95071 Ulster 58OT & Primble 934 Imperial DE383(not shell), Schrade 855 & Craftsman 9472
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Joe, I love that butter & molasses jack. Great show.FRJ wrote:Here's a couple more that I have.
A great show of knives.
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I love it too! B&M on a knife is like red on a Ford Truck!KnifeSlinger#81 wrote:Joe, I love that butter & molasses jack. Great show.FRJ wrote:Here's a couple more that I have.
A great show of knives.
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I added a few more Ulsters to the pile - an older style 50D and two 50OT clones
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Here are a couple I picked up recently, an 896 and an 896K.
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These are some of my favorites in the 3 5/16" category.
This one is common but the condition is as good as it gets.
This one is common but the condition is as good as it gets.
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Tons of interesting variations. Thanks to all who posted.
Here's one that hasn't been shown in this thread. The 33OT "Middleman Jack" dealer special with "Compliments of Schrade Cutlery 1983" etch and deluxe Old Timer shield.
Here's one that hasn't been shown in this thread. The 33OT "Middleman Jack" dealer special with "Compliments of Schrade Cutlery 1983" etch and deluxe Old Timer shield.
I don't always respond to great posts but I always appreciate seeing them. Thanks for posting!
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That's a nice knife, and shield. It looks like the same shield they used on the 1985 old timer red bone knives.
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I have always loved those shields. I wish they were on more knives.