What Schrade RARE knife do you have

tongueriver · Post by **tongueriver** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:23 pm

tongueriver wrote:I looked at this ebay listing for days and just could not decide whether it was bone or not from the seller's pics and description. I decided to take a chance. I had heard since back about 2008 that there were a few 1959-1961 bone 8 OTs made for John Primble Hardware and I have watched ever since. This is the only one I have seen. Got lucky.

Edit: The clip blade and possibly the other blades are not the same manufacture as the early 1959-1961 8OTs. I don't know whether they date to the same time period or not but the grinds are very different. I am thinking possibly furnished by Baer's Ulster or Imperial facility? Comments welcome.

Shearer · Post by **Shearer** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:37 pm

tongueriver wrote:
tongueriver wrote:I looked at this ebay listing for days and just could not decide whether it was bone or not from the seller's pics and description. I decided to take a chance. I had heard since back about 2008 that there were a few 1959-1961 bone 8 OTs made for John Primble Hardware and I have watched ever since. This is the only one I have seen. Got lucky.
Edit: The clip blade and possibly the other blades are not the same manufacture as the early 1959-1961 8OTs. I don't know whether they date to the same time period or not but the grinds are very different. I am thinking possibly furnished by Baer's Ulster or Imperial facility? Comments welcome.

Cal I have a Schrade Walden Old Timer with the same grind ,delrin handles.
The knife does not have the 8OT on the back.
The Special Edition Jim Bowe ( S.W Cut JB1 ) and the Keen Kutter (S.W Cut K74 ) have the same blades.
Sorry no pictures at the moment as the battery is flat in camera.

Grant

tongueriver · Post by **tongueriver** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:19 pm

The American Eagle series of full size stockman knives (commemorating American Revolutionary War heroes), made for Parker, were made by Imperial and the blades look like this one. By the way, I have that whole set with matching #s, boxes, etc. and they are available (hehheh).

Shearer · Post by **Shearer** » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:39 pm

tongueriver wrote:The American Eagle series of full size stockman knives (commemorating American Revolutionary War heroes), made for Parker, were made by Imperial and the blades look like this one. By the way, I have that whole set with matching #s, boxes, etc. and they are available (hehheh).

Do you mean this set.

Grant

tongueriver · Post by **tongueriver** » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:15 am

Shearer wrote:
tongueriver wrote:The American Eagle series of full size stockman knives (commemorating American Revolutionary War heroes), made for Parker, were made by Imperial and the blades look like this one. By the way, I have that whole set with matching #s, boxes, etc. and they are available (hehheh).
Do you mean this set.

Grant

yep.

dweb1897 · Post by **dweb1897** » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:26 pm

Here's some info on the American Eagle set put together by Schradenut

jxr1197 · Post by **jxr1197** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:20 pm

This is more of a one off oddball than a 'rare' knife. It's a BSA Jubilee knife and I'm going to go out on a limb and use the "P" word here (PROTOTYPE) along with a healthy dose of conjecture - cause that's usually a winning formula.

The knife that was ultimately made in 1985 was a run of 12,000 pieces on a brushed lockback frame with engraved brass inserts and custom blade etch. Here's a picture of one from a popular auction site:

Here's the one I have:

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When I saw the 00000 serial number and those 'SS' letters engraved into both inserts my first thought was photo sample or salesman sample. But why would a SFO need that? Then there's the blade etch that reads '1 of 500' instead of 12000. Finally why aren't the inserts brass? They're stainless. So my theory is that the silver looking inserts are representative of sterling silver (which is why it got the 'SS' engraved) and the 1 of 500 means there was a plan to also have a limited 'silver edition' to go along with the standard edition of this knife. That plan fell through and this prototype is all that remains. Like I said - a healthy dose of conjecture.

dweb1897 · Post by **dweb1897** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:52 pm

Pretty good conjecture I would think.

dweb1897 · Post by **dweb1897** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:01 pm

I found this in my files...evidently they made one in sterling and one in 10k gold...click on the pic and it will enlarge and be readable

ea42 · Post by **ea42** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:01 pm

Jason, they made three different versions of that knife for Scout's diamond jubilee. 12,000 with brass inserts (your top photo), 500 with sterling silver inserts, and 100 with gold inserts. They were all packaged differently. I shot a couple of quick picks of my silver and gold ones to give you an idea.

The silver insert model was mounted in a wood and pexiglass case, which in turn is mounted in a faux leather hinged box.

The gold model in the fleur de lis was actually mounted on a blue felt frame as well, but I'm missing that part. This one actually belonged to Wally Gardiner, the former president of Schrade. In the 1980's he was actually still a salesman, and secured the order for these knives at a meeting with the Scout leadership in Texas. He got this knife as a thank you gift from Albert Baer, hence the 0000 serial number.

I'm curious as to who might have owned your silver one, the 0000 numbers were often reserved for management. It's definitely not a proto though, it's too far along production wise for that.

Eric

ScoutKnives · Post by **ScoutKnives** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:13 pm

The production number is odd for sure , I have number 00300
, the inlays are supposed to be silver .

jxr1197 wrote:This is more of a one off oddball than a 'rare' knife. It's a BSA Jubilee knife and I'm going to go out on a limb and use the "P" word here (PROTOTYPE) along with a healthy dose of conjecture - cause that's usually a winning formula. The knife that was ultimately made in 1985 was a run of 12,000 pieces on a brushed lockback frame with engraved brass inserts and custom blade etch. Here's a picture of one from a popular auction site:

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Here's the one I have:

proto1.jpg
proto2.JPG
00000.Jpg

When I saw the 00000 serial number and those 'SS' letters engraved into both inserts my first thought was photo sample or salesman sample. But why would a SFO need that? Then there's the blade etch that reads '1 of 500' instead of 12000. Finally why aren't the inserts brass? They're stainless. So my theory is that the silver looking inserts are representative of sterling silver (which is why it got the 'SS' engraved) and the 1 of 500 means there was a plan to also have a limited 'silver edition' to go along with the standard edition of this knife. That plan fell through and this prototype is all that remains. Like I said - a healthy dose of conjecture.

jxr1197 · Post by **jxr1197** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:25 pm

HA! I knew if threw the P word around it would all go sideways! Thanks for the additional info.

jxr1197 · Post by **jxr1197** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:27 pm

...now where do I find one of those fleur de lis cases?!

tongueriver · Post by **tongueriver** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:06 pm

Great knives and great thread! Thanks to all! I saw one of the gold ones on ebay (maybe last year?); the seller was MIGHTY proud of it.

I have the much more common multi-blade scout knife package that is associated with that Boy Scout anniversary and it is nice, also. And available.

Quick Steel · Post by **Quick Steel** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:57 pm

KnifeSlinger#81 · Post by **KnifeSlinger#81** » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:04 am

This one is rare enough that I haven't seen another one yet.

LRV · Post by **LRV** » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:08 am

Really nice sample.
thanks for showing.

ea42 · Post by **ea42** » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:39 am

Fantastic knife Paul, definitely don't see many of those in pearl!

Larry! Good to see you posting, hope all's well in the north country!

Eric

jxr1197 · Post by **jxr1197** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:10 pm

917 Sportster
Only in the 1953-54 catalogs

tongueriver · Post by **tongueriver** » Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:02 pm

Some great knives shown here today; many thanx!

glennbad · Post by **glennbad** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:03 am

Wow Jason, amazing! Never seen that one in the wild before.

jxr1197 · Post by **jxr1197** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:44 pm

Thanks Cal and Glenn. I passed this one over at first to check the catalogs because I have never seen one before. Luckily at was still available the next day. The catalog says these have red handles so maybe this one's a sample. I'm guessing it belonged to an employee. It's unused and it never even made it out of the neighborhood. The package it came in was postmarked Walden, NY.

jxr1197 · Post by **jxr1197** » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:00 pm

This less-than-perfect example of an SO8814NP just arrived. I don't believe I've seen one of these before - just the older oblique with parallel slanted bolsters. Aside from this and the 1966 Buck I don't think there are any other Schrades with this bolster style. Some Imperials much later on but no other Schrades.

tongueriver · Post by **tongueriver** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:21 am

Great oblique!

Here's another one.

jxr1197 · Post by **jxr1197** » Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:49 am

tongueriver wrote:Great oblique! Here's another one.

^^that's the older oblique I was talking about - I'm jealous!

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