Any chance of a sticky for fixed blade Schrades?

Schrade Cutlery Company was founded in 1904 by George Schrade, and his brothers Jacob and William Schrade. In 1946 Imperial Knife Associated Companies, (IKAC; an association of Ulster Knife Co and Imperial Knife Co) purchased controlling interest in Schrade Cut Co and changed the name to Schrade Walden Cutlery. In 1973 the name was changed to Schrade Cutlery. In 2004 Schrade closed due to bankruptcy.

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Re: Any chance of a sticky for fixed blade Schrades?

Postby black mamba » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:02 pm

I'm pretty new to the Schrade fixed blade game, but I have a couple to show. Any help on putting an accurate date range on these would be greatly appreciated.

Minty 152UH and 165UH, no boxes though. The seller said these were from the mid '90s.
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172UH
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153UH
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The 153 has the same SCHRADE SUPER-SHARP etch as the 172, but it is very faded. It also has the Uncle Henry signature on the guard, but no serial number. Both knives came with identical sheaths, but one had a black fine grit stone and the other had a green medium grit stone.

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Re: Any chance of a sticky for fixed blade Schrades?

Postby tongueriver » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:24 pm

Just got this in from an old collector friend and esteemed Schrade researcher. His words:
"This salesman's sample is number 00009. Photosample would be #00000, then 00001, etc. up to #00008 and then this one. There would have been 12 to 24 salesman's samples made before production ramped up as orders rolled in.
Thus number 9 is actually the 10th knife made. I suspect most of those are either destroyed or in the estates of salesmen or the vaults of the silent big boy collectors. Yeah the #00000 knives were handmade samples made by the Buley brothers used for ad photography and often retired to the company vaults. And the first group of production knives went to the salesmen."
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Re: Any chance of a sticky for fixed blade Schrades?

Postby Chase » Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:03 am

Those Buley Brothers would be my Uncles Cal.

That sure is a great catch and a wonderful piece of History right there.

Congratulations

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Re: Any chance of a sticky for fixed blade Schrades?

Postby ea42 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:27 am

Cal that's a fantastic find, congrats!!!

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Re: Any chance of a sticky for fixed blade Schrades?

Postby FatCity67 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:11 am

Hmmmmmm now where have I seen that 165 before. ::groove::

Very nice Cal! ::tu::

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Re: Any chance of a sticky for fixed blade Schrades?

Postby Producer » Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:17 pm

tongueriver wrote:Just got this in from an old collector friend and esteemed Schrade researcher. His words:
"This salesman's sample is number 00009. Photosample would be #00000, then 00001, etc. up to #00008 and then this one. There would have been 12 to 24 salesman's samples made before production ramped up as orders rolled in.
Thus number 9 is actually the 10th knife made. I suspect most of those are either destroyed or in the estates of salesmen or the vaults of the silent big boy collectors. Yeah the #00000 knives were handmade samples made by the Buley brothers used for ad photography and often retired to the company vaults. And the first group of production knives went to the salesmen."
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That is a fantastic 165 :)
I never met a Schrade I didn't like

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Re: Any chance of a sticky for fixed blade Schrades?

Postby jxr1197 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:41 pm

Double Wonda 148 sample knife

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Re: Any chance of a sticky for fixed blade Schrades?

Postby tongueriver » Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:42 pm

Sorry to see this one so late. It is a beauty! ::tu:: ::tu:: ::tu::

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Re: Any chance of a sticky for fixed blade Schrades?

Postby Producer » Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:39 pm

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Double Wonda 148 sample knife

That is fantastic!
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Re: Any chance of a sticky for fixed blade Schrades?

Postby Producer » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:22 pm

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Re: Any chance of a sticky for fixed blade Schrades?

Postby kootenay joe » Sat May 05, 2018 5:15 pm

Here are 2 not often seen: Schrade-Walden 170, note that the hawkbill tip is purposely rounded; and a Schrade+ USA WR1.
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Re: Any chance of a sticky for fixed blade Schrades?

Postby tongueriver » Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:11 am

The 153UH debuted at the juncture of Schrade Walden/Schrade in 1972-1973. The first ones were tang-stamped Schrade Walden but there were probably 2000 or less with that stamp. So here are some notes, a little random at times, regarding those first Schrade Walden 153UH knives.
NOTES MADE BY A SCHRADE EMPLOYEE REGARDING THE UPCOMING PATTERN 153 UH AND THE CRAFTSMAN VERSION:
11-29-72 sears craftsman same as we will make the 153uh the blade will be stamped craftsman USA etched on pile side 2-lines custom skinner aca edge use 165 sheath made of elephant grain leather. Yearly estimate 3000 pieces.
12-8-72 new items-153(code#79) this is the new uh pattern hunting knife. All displays and hunting knife line should be ready for shipment between March 15 and April 1
We do have the end of year production reports. They indicate the totals shipped by the end of the year and in some cases the number of completed knives still in inventory. The early years of this pattern read thus:
1972 -1
1973 - 3485
1974 – 7048


The change was made to stainless in late 1995. It required new guards, handle tube moldings and blades as the stainless was thinner stock. The components did not interchange. New "+" tang stamp given to production control by 5/5/95. Butt piece and washer changes made inhouse. Tool room modified existing handle cores.
* Blade from .165 carbon to .135 stainless
* Grind switches from flat to hollow
* Guard closes up (old guards do not interchange).
* Same for new handle moldings.

Per memo dated December 2, 1994. Last of the carbon blades were being blanked at that time. The memo mentioned a production forecast of almost 1,000 knives per week for 1995. The forecast was off by quite a bit. For 1995, 22339 pieces shipped for the combined old style carbon knives and the new tooled stainless. For 1996 it was 21012 of the new design and for 1997 17,241 pieces.

Going back again: It would appear all the 'Bear Skinner' box's were simply made for the 172UH Bear Skinner...not all were utilized for their intended purpose when the 172UH was replaced by the 153UH in that ' Schrade Name' transistion period....so Schrade used their existing supplies for the earliest 153UH's manufactured/sold... and in the interim until they had their new 'Golden Spike' box's finished/ready they must have put the gold sticker <on a few?> over the original Bear Skinner wording which cannot be seen because the gold foil sticker is quite thick

Going forward again: The #02616 Schrade is 1973 production and the #403419 is 1992 production. That gives us our most current high and low for Schrade 153UH serializations. 2000? Hmm. If other production runs of patterns are any indicator, they liked to make production overruns of 10% or so for warranty replacements and to cover rejects. So perhaps 2,200 or so Walden 153UH? Also it appears that serialization may have ended either with the change to stainless or shortly before. Records indicate the change to stainless was done in mid to late 1995.

We know from Larry Vickery <lrv> who quotes from the end of year Schrade Walden report that only 1 153UH escaped in 1972 and 3485 were shipped in 1973 so it follows from our known serial Numbers, it's likely the 3485 shipped comprised of the Walden tang stampings AND the new Schrade stampings.....and in all likelihood those 3485 were shipped in both 'Bear Skinner' brown box's, Golden Spike 'Sticker' brown box's and maybe some of the new fangled Golden Spike gold embossed new box's if they were ready sometime in 1973

SW serial numbers found so far:
23
34
143
220
297
378
438
538
613
690
773
786
1051
1522
1533
1535
1666
1857
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Re: Any chance of a sticky for fixed blade Schrades?

Postby tongueriver » Fri Sep 07, 2018 1:22 am

In the mail presently to me as we speak is one of these early SW 153s with the factory marks, and another one with the Craftsman marks and the correct ELEPHANT HIDE (look at the last image) sheath. :)
I must say here that most of the pertinent knowledge regarding these knives was originally initiated by Larry303 on the "other" knife forum and there is a fascinating thread there:
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/the ... ly.652305/

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Re: Any chance of a sticky for fixed blade Schrades?

Postby black mamba » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:26 pm

I like those 49ers, too. I've got decent examples of the 497L (my favorite blade shape) and the 498S.

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This Ducks Unlimited 15UH isn't found too often, with a strong etch and the cutout duckhead.

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