SCHRADES MY TRUE LOVE

[tongueriver]

That looks like one of Barry Wolder's (onefartsmella) pics. One that snuck by me, I guess. Good score!

[ratlesnake75]

Thanks Guys!! I thought it might be from the 50's also and I knew that I hadnt seen but a few "Genuine Stag" handles in Schrade.
I took the "Scans" of my knife with a Scanner not a camera,,But it does look like his pics, LOL.
Kind Regards,
Mark

[jerryd6818]

Did you check the liners to make sure it's not a Herman Williams creation? What ever it is, I like it. That long slender profile and the Turkish clip blade really do it for me.

[Ballenxj]

Some really nice knives surfacing here folks. Looks like I'm seeing some Herman Williams representation too?

[ratlesnake75]

Hello, Many thanks for the compliments!! I did not check the inside liners, but will do it right now. Just listed the knife on ebay
Thx Mark

[ratlesnake75]

Hello Guys, I just checked the inside Liners and there is No initials or name whatsoever. Its the real deal folks.
Kind Regards,
Mark

[Ballenxj]

Did you check the liners to make sure it's not a Herman Williams creation?

This is what I was wondering.

[lt632ret]

I have been watching this thread with interest. I do not wish to offend any one however I do not agree with the general concensus. I believe your knife is a rehandled knife from the late 90tys or early 2000. Schrade re released a line of Schrade walden knives . I believe that this is the tang used. Schrade in the 50tys was not doing stag. During this time Schrade was getting away from natural material delrin was the wave of the future celluloid, pearl, bone , ect were being phased out. in any event they did not produce stag like that. The first stag re releases ( natural materials) were the center piece of the 13 colonies produced for Jim Parker 1976. Herman Williams was instumental in getting Schrade to go back to natural materials. here is a example I believe of one of the knives made from that newer later release. 122431128385 ( note not same pattern just example of that line of knives) . You will notice that the stag is different as is the shield however I believe that that is the correct vintage ( from that period issue ) and marking. I agree the rehandling certainly looks like hermans work. However as was mentioned he usually marks them with initials dates ect ( but not always ) None the less I believe it is rehandled and i do not believe is an early Schrade Walden. I wish to offend NO ONE I simply wanted to state my opinion. Again i hope it does not offend . it is a beautiful knife and it is what it is. Regards LT

[Ballenxj]

Hello Guys, I just checked the inside Liners and there is No initials or name whatsoever. Its the real deal folks.

Could it be a very early one from before they signed them?

[jerryd6818]

My apologies. That's Wallace that marks his work inside the liners. Herman stamps the tang or at least has on all I've seen.

[tongueriver]

Opinions are inexpensive, so I think I can afford one. I believe that the frame and blades are original pre-1973, but only at the 94% belief level. If that is so, then the handles are definitely a re-do. A number of craftsman around these days that can do that. If it is a more modern release (say... 1980s or 90s) then it will have Swinden construction. Does it? In any case, NO original 1947-1973 Schrade knives were released with stag handles (again, my opinion, but this time it is at the 99.8% belief level). Say.... I DO like that knife.

[lt632ret]

It was stated that this knife had 298 as a pattern number. I have gone through Sargeants 1 and 2 under Schrade Walden and did not see that pattern. I also went into collectors of schrades are US. I checked through a bunch of those years flyers and did not see a 298 pattern I am not saying that it is not there I may very well have missed it . Perhapes someone might find a reference to this pattern or model number and better yet a picture. That would confirm that this pattern number was being made back then . If not then chances are it was issued as the reissue Schrade Walden . if a picture is found it might answer some questions. Any information would be appreciated. Like i said I may well have missed it. LT

[Duffer]

I have a Herman Williams Uncle Henry Schrade+ USA 885UH Everlasting Sharp etched primary blade that is tang stamped on the pile side H. Williams 2011 and inside the left blade well liner H. Williams -2011 D8609. I have some others just tang stamped. Lloyd

[KnifeSlinger#81]

Beautiful knife Lloyd.

[tongueriver]

It was stated that this knife had 298 as a pattern number. I have gone through Sargeants 1 and 2 under Schrade Walden and did not see that pattern. I also went into collectors of schrades are US. I checked through a bunch of those years flyers and did not see a 298 pattern I am not saying that it is not there I may very well have missed it . Perhapes someone might find a reference to this pattern or model number and better yet a picture. That would confirm that this pattern number was being made back then . If not then chances are it was issued as the reissue Schrade Walden . if a picture is found it might answer some questions. Any information would be appreciated. Like i said I may well have missed it. LT

I can't find that pattern # either, LT, but I still think it is a genuine Walden frame and blades. Oh.... to be 20 again and know everything!

[lt632ret]

I feel ( but will not swear to it that the pattern model 898 was not made during the original Schrade Walden time frame. ) Perhapes I can offer some further information. I am attaching some pictures of a SWA787Y. Ever hear of it? Notice the dandy original Schrade Walden period correct tube it came in. Notice the tang ( look familiar ) the same as the 898?? Now have you ever seen this pattern or knife. How much more of a correct Schrade Walden could you ask for. Heck it must have been hidden away for years its brand new. I was so taken with it when I got it that i showed it to Dave Swinden . I was a bit surprised when he said that he had never seen one before. So what then is the story? You see when Schrade was closing right at the end in 2003 they started making knives from parts that they had and they had alot. Yes they also had those celluloid tubes as well. Now while they had lots regular blades like sheepsfoot and california clips they also had a lot of blades marked Schrade Walden from that cigar box or whatever it was called reissue ( I forget what they called it ) Anyway while they used a lot of parts making them ( as fast as they could before everything got sold at auction ). they made a lot of standard Old timers and Uncle Henrys .But They also had a lot of this other odd ball stuff that down the road collectors would see and think that they had found a holy grail. This particular yellow handled Schrade Walden in original vintage packaging was born in 2003. It was known then that down the road only the most nerdlike Schradeaholics ( like me ) would know what was going on and really they didn't care they just wanted to dump as much as possible. I am also including a few pics of some of my Herman knives. Herman is a good friend it was probably mentioned somewhere on here ( AAPK ) he just turned 80 years old. I consider him a national treasure. enjoy the pics and try not to be to trusting when you find a mint condition Schrade of a model you have never seen. if it seems to good to be true it probably is. Again just my opinion LT

[Shearer]

I feel ( but will not swear to it that the pattern model 898 was not made during the original Schrade Walden time frame. ) Perhapes I can offer some further information. I am attaching some pictures of a SWA787Y. Ever hear of it? Notice the dandy original Schrade Walden period correct tube it came in. Notice the tang ( look familiar ) the same as the 898?? Now have you ever seen this pattern or knife. How much more of a correct Schrade Walden could you ask for. Heck it must have been hidden away for years its brand new. I was so taken with it when I got it that i showed it to Dave Swinden . I was a bit surprised when he said that he had never seen one before. So what then is the story? You see when Schrade was closing right at the end in 2003 they started making knives from parts that they had and they had alot. Yes they also had those celluloid tubes as well. Now while they had lots regular blades like sheepsfoot and california clips they also had a lot of blades marked Schrade Walden from that cigar box or whatever it was called reissue ( I forget what they called it ) Anyway while they used a lot of parts making them ( as fast as they could before everything got sold at auction ). they made a lot of standard Old timers and Uncle Henrys .But They also had a lot of this other odd ball stuff that down the road collectors would see and think that they had found a holy grail. This particular yellow handled Schrade Walden in original vintage packaging was born in 2003. It was known then that down the road only the most nerdlike Schradeaholics ( like me ) would know what was going on and really they didn't care they just wanted to dump as much as possible. I am also including a few pics of some of my Herman knives. Herman is a good friend it was probably mentioned somewhere on here ( AAPK ) he just turned 80 years old. I consider him a national treasure. enjoy the pics and try not to be to trusting when you find a mint condition Schrade of a model you have never seen. if it seems to good to be true it probably is. Again just my opinion LT

Look at the paper work inside the tube that the SWA787Y came in.It might say Camillus or manufacture under licence.
GRANT

[FatCity67]

I feel ( but will not swear to it that the pattern model 898 was not made during the original Schrade Walden time frame. ) Perhapes I can offer some further information. I am attaching some pictures of a SWA787Y. Ever hear of it? Notice the dandy original Schrade Walden period correct tube it came in. Notice the tang ( look familiar ) the same as the 898?? Now have you ever seen this pattern or knife. How much more of a correct Schrade Walden could you ask for. Heck it must have been hidden away for years its brand new. I was so taken with it when I got it that i showed it to Dave Swinden . I was a bit surprised when he said that he had never seen one before. So what then is the story? You see when Schrade was closing right at the end in 2003 they started making knives from parts that they had and they had alot. Yes they also had those celluloid tubes as well. Now while they had lots regular blades like sheepsfoot and california clips they also had a lot of blades marked Schrade Walden from that cigar box or whatever it was called reissue ( I forget what they called it ) Anyway while they used a lot of parts making them ( as fast as they could before everything got sold at auction ). they made a lot of standard Old timers and Uncle Henrys .But They also had a lot of this other odd ball stuff that down the road collectors would see and think that they had found a holy grail. This particular yellow handled Schrade Walden in original vintage packaging was born in 2003. It was known then that down the road only the most nerdlike Schradeaholics ( like me ) would know what was going on and really they didn't care they just wanted to dump as much as possible. I am also including a few pics of some of my Herman knives. Herman is a good friend it was probably mentioned somewhere on here ( AAPK ) he just turned 80 years old. I consider him a national treasure. enjoy the pics and try not to be to trusting when you find a mint condition Schrade of a model you have never seen. if it seems to good to be true it probably is. Again just my opinion LT

Look at the paper work inside the tube that the SWA787Y came in.It might say Camillus or manufacture under licence.
GRANT

It's my understanding that the SWA787Y was made for SMKW by either Bear and Sons or Camillus after Schrades closing in 2004 under license by Taylor. As you pointed out if you look at the paper work in LT's photos, 6th one down, you can see in the upper right corner under the knife printed "Ellenville NY factory closed in 2004" upside down.

As for the #298, very nice knife btw, I wondering if that is one of them lunch box specials.

[tongueriver]

I feel ( but will not swear to it that the pattern model 898 was not made during the original Schrade Walden time frame. ) Perhapes I can offer some further information. I am attaching some pictures of a SWA787Y. Ever hear of it? Notice the dandy original Schrade Walden period correct tube it came in. Notice the tang ( look familiar ) the same as the 898?? Now have you ever seen this pattern or knife. How much more of a correct Schrade Walden could you ask for. Heck it must have been hidden away for years its brand new. I was so taken with it when I got it that i showed it to Dave Swinden . I was a bit surprised when he said that he had never seen one before. So what then is the story? You see when Schrade was closing right at the end in 2003 they started making knives from parts that they had and they had alot. Yes they also had those celluloid tubes as well. Now while they had lots regular blades like sheepsfoot and california clips they also had a lot of blades marked Schrade Walden from that cigar box or whatever it was called reissue ( I forget what they called it ) Anyway while they used a lot of parts making them ( as fast as they could before everything got sold at auction ). they made a lot of standard Old timers and Uncle Henrys .But They also had a lot of this other odd ball stuff that down the road collectors would see and think that they had found a holy grail. This particular yellow handled Schrade Walden in original vintage packaging was born in 2003. It was known then that down the road only the most nerdlike Schradeaholics ( like me ) would know what was going on and really they didn't care they just wanted to dump as much as possible. I am also including a few pics of some of my Herman knives. Herman is a good friend it was probably mentioned somewhere on here ( AAPK ) he just turned 80 years old. I consider him a national treasure. enjoy the pics and try not to be to trusting when you find a mint condition Schrade of a model you have never seen. if it seems to good to be true it probably is. Again just my opinion LT

That yellow knife was made by Camillus after the 2004 closing of Schrade. Because of their prior work (in a very extensive manner), they had stamps, parts, blanks, etc.- the whole nine yards. I had one of those knives for awhile, myself- typical good Camillus. They made all the 898s and 886s also, but those two were made before the 2004 closing of Schrade. They were strictly Camillus through and through and had unique frame sizes without a single analog in any other Schrade line. I have examined and measured them. I believe they were made for Hardware Hank or some such. This has all been discussed at length elsewhere and I forget the details (imagine that!).

[ratlesnake75]

Hey Everybody, thus the reason for posting this knife right here on aapk for everyone to enjoy. I personally dont believe this knife was made in the 2000's, because there is a heck of a lot of differences just in the type of steel used. You can obviously see the steel in this knife vs the Yellow knife is a lot different not too mention its factory finish is much different. I honestly didnt think much about the rarity of Schrade stags but I have seen several posted that are in Mr. Upnorths collection,,,The Genuine stag handles All look nearly identical to me. I will get some pics of his Stag knives to compare against mine in a short while. I will also take more pics of my knife to add since there is interest in the details and its all a Nice learning experience even for educated knife guys.
Kind Regards,
Mark

[tongueriver]

Hey Everybody, thus the reason for posting this knife right here on aapk for everyone to enjoy. I personally dont believe this knife was made in the 2000's, because there is a heck of a lot of differences just in the type of steel used. You can obviously see the steel in this knife vs the Yellow knife is a lot different not too mention its factory finish is much different. I honestly didnt think much about the rarity of Schrade stags but I have seen several posted that are in Mr. Upnorths collection,,,The Genuine stag handles ALL look identical to mine. I will get some pics of his Stag knives to compare against mine in a short while. I will also take more pics of my knife to add since there is interest in the details and its all a Nice learning experience even for educated knife guys.
Kind Regards,
Mark

Looking forward to the additional information!

[ratlesnake75]

Hey guys, Here are a few extra Pics of my knife. Stampings(original glazed finish over the pattern# as it should be as a factory production knife), The hafting process(shows the lines from the liners to the handles are matching). All the liners are Identical with no extra or Wobble out holes from Re-handling,,,All the liners have the Exact same holes in the exact same spots, This way they can be fitted on either side of knife or used as a center liner,,No need to make different liners when 1 is all they had to make for the entire knife.

Also noticed under a loop the remnants of Milled liners(done very very lightly as you can see)
I found a 1964 catalog online at(( http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/Catalogs/)) where it shows 1 customer order a #291 Schrade, Cannot find a reference or Picture of it anywhere either. This is just 1 customer, Can you imagine how many customers Schrade had over the years PLUS all the salesman knives. I thought it was Neat that this customer also order dozens of the Maher & Grosh etched examples.

I see that most Genuine Stag Schrade knives had "Ink on" pattern & GS on back of their blades,,This ink wears off unfortunately and I am sure mine had it too at one point in time.
Kind Regards,
mark

Stampings

No extra liner holes or wobble out holes

Very light milled liners

Hafting Process

Extra Pics of my Schrade Stag

1964 Catalog

[ratlesnake75]

Hey Guys, A few more pics of more Schrade Stags found on the Net.
Kind Regards,
Mark

Other Schrade Genuine Stag knives(I hope Mr. Upnorth doesnt mine if I use his Stag knives for comparison),,All the stag looks very similar to me.

This Genuine Stag I found in the Completed on Ebay

My knife

[Just Plain Dave]

I say it would be nice to know for sure. But it's a heck of a knife and I reckon I'd tote it and use it!

[lt632ret]

Im sorry but just a couple of points you might explain. The knives you posted of stag are I believe Schrade cut Co pre 46 . You are camparing apples to oranges Schrade did do stag then and those knives from what I can see are correct and quite nice. However as mentioned, Under schrade walden (around approx 1946) they phased out natural materials in favor of delrin. which was substituted for there line butter and molasses cell became K horn ( delrin) stag became staglon ( UH delrin), wood became wonda wood (delrin) ect . Stag was reintroduced in 1976 . If it is an original Schrade Walden then it was not originally made in stag unless it is a later remake Schrade Walden. The fact that there is no reference to an original 298 pattern that can presently be found listed in any material during that period further lends to the belief that it is a later release. A simple listing showing that a model #298 was sold ( in any material ) during this period would certainly help in validating its possible age. When I mentioned the swa787y. ( that I posted pics of ) I was not saying that your knife was of necessity one of those made just before closing and after ( by camillus after Stuart Taylor bought Schrade ) the only point I was making is that over the years Schrade used the Schrade Walden stamp on re releases and I was simply using it as an example of that fact. So my questions are 1, So far no listing found for a 298 during the original period of Schrade Walden, 46 approx to 72 approx. 2, Schrade did not reintroduce stag until 76. 3. The tang stamp is the same as used in other re releases. Just one more point looking further at your stag, it seems to be correct for schrade but it is typical of what was done for special editions and releases after it was reintroduced after 1976.
I am not trying to be a hardon and frankly am open to changing my opinion if you can just clarify one or more of those questions that I have. As you pointed out we can all learn. Highest regards LT