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Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:41 am
by tongueriver
Jporter1974 wrote:Thanks for the info on the little knife. It is 3 and 1/8. I need to get me a schrade cut co era reference book, but all I ever have seen is the schrade walden era and up references. Any suggestions? ~Jon
Right here:
http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/ ... /index.htm

Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:58 am
by Mustanger
black mamba wrote:Nice knives! I've got one of those #9470 Ulster Craftsman knives in peachseed jigged Bonite. A lovely stockman!

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Your knife can be loosely dated to before 1960 because Craftsman started using the crown logo (like on my knives) in 1960. I'm not a fan of Bonite, but I really like that knife!

Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:05 am
by Jporter1974
Thank you so much, I will definitely put it to good use ~Jon

Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:11 pm
by tongueriver
Joe Kious died in an auto accident in 2014. He collaborated with Imperial Schrade on these knives in (I believe) 2001. They were handled in "50 year old bone," and a run of 1000 only. They are odd knives, but rather pleasing. Speaking of collaborations, I am seeking the red-handled version of the Schrade-Barnett knives.
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Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 12:45 am
by Duffer
Schrade Walden 294. Never used, factory grinds—never touched post production.

Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 1:00 am
by tongueriver
That's a right smart one, there! ::tu::

Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 1:05 am
by dweb1897
Good looking Kious, Cal. They are a nice knife. It's been awhile since I've seen a Barnett for sale.
That 294 is sure a good looker Duffer...got to find my drool bucket again.

Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:46 pm
by deltaboy

Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:31 pm
by Meridian_Mike
Duffer wrote:Schrade Walden 294. Never used, factory grinds—never touched post production.
WOW..... now that is one SWEET knife you have there Lloyd!
CONGRATS!!

Mike
::tu:: ::tu::

Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:37 am
by Duffer
Thanks Mike—much appreciated!!

Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:42 pm
by tongueriver
This one is not here yet; I want to compare it with my known Schrade CutCo and decide whether this one is a Schrade or an Ulster USA. Either way I love the folding hunters. The tangstamp is Craftsman; that's why I do not yet know who made it. And the Mother of Toilet Seat covers? Well, I am gambling that they have settled down. If it had been a WESTERN I wouldn't touch it unless I was having it re-handled. I do take pains to stable my celluloid knives in a loving environment.
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Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:20 am
by kootenay joe
Calvin, how do you know this Craftsman is as old as Schrade Cut. Co. ?
Looks like a Schrade made knife. I cannot recall ever seeing an Ulster Knife Co. Folding Hunter.
kj

Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:50 am
by jxr1197
tongueriver wrote:This one is not here yet; I want to compare it with my known Schrade CutCo and decide whether this one is a Schrade or an Ulster USA. Either way I love the folding hunters. The tangstamp is Craftsman; that's why I do not yet know who made it. And the Mother of Toilet Seat covers? Well, I am gambling that they have settled down. If it had been a WESTERN I wouldn't touch it unless I was having it re-handled. I do take pains to stable my celluloid knives in a loving environment.
From that era I think it would be a toss up between Ulster and Camillus, not Schrade. I'm guessing Ulster - here's an Ulster fished out of a google search:
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Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:01 am
by kootenay joe
Is the above an "Ulster Knife Co.' or a post 1941 "Ulster Knife" ? I was referring to Ulster Knife Co. owned by Dwight Devine. When he sold to Albert Baer in 1941 the company became "Ulster Knife" and the knives were no longer as high quality as they had been. Still very good but not quite the same.
kj

Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:10 am
by jxr1197
kootenay joe wrote:Is the above an "Ulster Knife Co.' or a post 1941 "Ulster Knife" ? I was referring to Ulster Knife Co. owned by Dwight Devine. When he sold to Albert Baer in 1941 the company became "Ulster Knife" and the knives were no longer as high quality as they had been. Still very good but not quite the same.
kj
That's a post '41 Ulster in the pic. There was no cross over, the first Craftsman appeared in 1941 - same year as the ownership change at Ulster and I don't believe Divine's Ulster ever made knives for Sears, Craftsman or otherwise. Unless I'm wrong...it happens.

Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:35 am
by kootenay joe
Yes you are correct Albert Baer brought the Sears contract to Camillus. He would not have shared it with Ulster until he owned Ulster.
How does one date Calvin's Craftsman Folding Hunter ? From before or after WW II ? If from after then likely not a Schrade Cut Co because it became Schrade-Walden in 1946-47.
kj

Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:41 pm
by tongueriver
I will compare it to two Schrade CutCos and a (pre-225) Schrade Walden, when I get it.

Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:16 pm
by Mustanger
Craftsman 9541, aka, Ulster #50

Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:10 am
by JAMESC41001
Mustanger, that is a beauty for sure. For a time I looked closely at knives made for sears as i was collecting uncle Henry knives. The way it was explained to me is Albert B was in charge of all knives being sold for sears and he decided which companies would supply knives to sears. In this roll he also had control of how when and where the knives were displayed. His daughter owned camillius so that was an easy one. It’s likely Ulster was an approved vendor even before he took over the company. He maintained a firm grip over the sears account for many years. I do not recall exactly when though.

Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:01 am
by Mustanger
JAMESC41001 wrote:Mustanger, that is a beauty for sure. For a time I looked closely at knives made for sears as i was collecting uncle Henry knives. The way it was explained to me is Albert B was in charge of all knives being sold for sears and he decided which companies would supply knives to sears. In this roll he also had control of how when and where the knives were displayed. His daughter owned camillius so that was an easy one. It’s likely Ulster was an approved vendor even before he took over the company. He maintained a firm grip over the sears account for many years. I do not recall exactly when though.
That relationship with Sears was interesting for sure. I have Craftsman knives made by Schrade Walden, Imperial Schrade, Imperial, Ulster and Camillus. I never intended to collect Craftsman knives but it's sometimes easier to land a nice Craftsman knife in the Schrade family patterns I like than it is to find nice factory branded copies. Now I like em almost as good. K-Joe had an interesting comment about Sears and Ulster at the top of this page. I don't know.

Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:44 pm
by JAMESC41001
I agree with you, a good sears knife can be just as good as the makers mark. Wilbert supplies knives to sears that were produced by Nspanoch. I don’t own one but sure wish I did. Also I have a craftsman 2OT that is even scarcer then the Schrade.

Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:10 pm
by tongueriver
Michael Little (Codger), who has been a meticulous Schrade researcher, apparently found good evidence that many Schrade introductions were given to Sears FIRST, before further runs, and possibly later less stringent qc.

Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:53 pm
by JAMESC41001
Yes I have read some of codgers great research. It is a tremendous help and accurate. I believe the 153 golden spike was made for Sears first. Studying sears knives actually helps understand some aspects of what was going on and when.

Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:18 pm
by tongueriver
Some of Schrade's contribution to the Sears lineup are not well-known. How about a 165OT... but with a hidden tang? AND a genuine elephant hide sheath?
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Re: My latest Schrade

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:52 pm
by Mustanger
tongueriver wrote:Michael Little (Codger), who has been a meticulous Schrade researcher, apparently found good evidence that many Schrade introductions were given to Sears FIRST, before further runs, and possibly later less stringent qc.
That is an interesting little factoid. That Schrade may have used Sears for test marketing, and/or, promotion for new knives. Smart!
Very nice 165OT! I have wondered why a lot of the Craftsman knives had tang stamps that are upside down to everyone else?

JAMESC41001
Good point about the Craftsman knives being more rare. Especially your 2OT. I'm also thinking about your Staglon skinning knife too. There are a couple that I can think of that I've only seen one picture of and never heard talked about. That coupled with what Cal posted makes a guy want to pay more attention to them for rare Schrade family knives.

I'm just posting this picture I found online somewhere (I think ebay completeted listings) as an example of "where the heck did that come from?". It has a linerlock. Only one I've seen and I'm wanting one bad. lol