What is Your Latest Old Schrade?
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Read this about Fibestos:
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/res ... ck.398149/
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/res ... ck.398149/
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Fibestos was made of cellulose acetate, which was developed to be a non-flammable replacement for celluloid. It's basically in the same family, and although it isn't flammable the early products were not as stable as they are today and so degraded in much the same way as celluloid. Heat and moisture will over time break the acetate bonds, producing acetic acid (smells like vinegar) and degrading the entire handle. Fibestos was just a trade name used by Fiberoid. The product was also marketed by other firms, including Eastman Kodak for development of its safety film. I've got one of those farmers jacks as well, blades are minty but the handles are pretty much dissolved, with the pile side gone altogether. Might just rehandle this guy, maybe stag or traditional cocobolo.
Eric
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Great information Eric, I need to distance my knife a little further from the herd. I didn't realize the proximity of Fibestos to regular celluloid . I had thought it was just a very inferior form of plastic.
Ken Erickson used that budding blade as a model for the farmers jack he made me.
John Lloyd did too for the budding knives he gave me for Christmas.
Ken Erickson used that budding blade as a model for the farmers jack he made me.
John Lloyd did too for the budding knives he gave me for Christmas.
I buy roosters combs and farmers..........................................................jack knives [/b]
GEC SFOs and others at LICK CREEK CUTLERY- www.allaboutpocketknives.com/wlf
May the Father and Son bless
Lyle
GEC SFOs and others at LICK CREEK CUTLERY- www.allaboutpocketknives.com/wlf
May the Father and Son bless
Lyle
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Lyle, I don't think the out gassing of these handles is as corrosive as celluloid. I don't see any damage to the blades, liners, or pins on this knife. Celluloid would have at least turned the blades black and pitted at this point.
Those Erickson and Lloyd knives are absolute wonders!
Eric
Those Erickson and Lloyd knives are absolute wonders!
Eric
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I had a heart procedure in May and have been traveling steadily since returning to work. But travel means new pawn shops, and sometimes that means new knives. In this case, you'd be correct. First was a 100th anniversary 34OT, then a twofer: a 34GDOT and an 89OT from the same shop.
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Good catches, good fun and good knives! This post would fit slightly better in "my latest Schrade", but no matter, all good stuff. Thanks for posting!
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Got a new old stock Imperial powder horn jigged bone Stockman!
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This thread is for "Old" Schrade which to me means Schrade-Walden and earlier, or from before 1972. The Schrade USA knives should be grouped and shown in "Your Latest Schrade". This division makes it a bit easier for someone searching for a specific knife.
Here is a 3 1/2" jigged bone Schrade-Walden 890 stockman. It has been used and professionally cleaned, lightly, not a 'deep buff' at least.
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Here is a 3 1/2" jigged bone Schrade-Walden 890 stockman. It has been used and professionally cleaned, lightly, not a 'deep buff' at least.
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I love those 890 stockmans. Thanks for showing that one. I have an 890 oddball, with a pen blade. And yes, I think this thread should stop short of 1973, but that is merely an opinion.
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Calvin might the "pen" blade be a sharpened down spey ? If you look at my 890 the spey almost looks pen like and it would not take that much to make it into a pen profile.
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I might think that a possibility, but there are extenuating circumstances that would suggest otherwise. I have two of these knives, identical except for minor usage condition. Neither has a pattern number stamped on the back (pile) side, but does have the U.S.A. in the mark side stamp. This MIGHT place manufacture date of circa 1953. Now then, even though I can't find them in the Walden catalogs, Schrade CutCo DID make them; they are pattern number 8923 in bone stag, 8924GP in Golden Pearl pyralin, and 8924AC in Assorted Pyralin handles. Here are scans of my other Schrade Walden: and here is an example of the Schrade CutCo 8923 (earlier version):kootenay joe wrote:Calvin might the "pen" blade be a sharpened down spey ? If you look at my 890 the spey almost looks pen like and it would not take that much to make it into a pen profile. kj
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Calvin this seems to indicate that early S-W 890 had a pen blade which later was replaced by a spey blade. Or do you think both versions were made at the same time ?
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I think they were both made at the same time; the pen blade version is really just a holdover from the CutCo days and as you may notice, the pattern # was not stamped on the knife. I doubt if many were made, but quien sabe? Just for fun, here is a great photo of a great example, by our friend Hal B.:kootenay joe wrote:Calvin this seems to indicate that early S-W 890 had a pen blade which later was replaced by a spey blade. Or do you think both versions were made at the same time ? kj
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Cocobola bare head jack with arched stamp, 1904-c. 1917-1920. Cleaned to mint (haha) a long time ago and has re-acquired a silky lovely patina. Ferocious snaps and half stops. Some blade loss.
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Lovely early Schrade Cut Jack Cal Beautiful Cocobolo handles really make this vintage folder come to life Very desirable arch tang stamp example. Thanks for posting photos.
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Beautiful knife Calvin. We don't often see wood handles this attractive or so 'clean', not dinged.
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Great looking knife Cal! I find that the wood handles on those vintage knives are always beautifully rounded, right to the liners all the way around. That's a bit of craftsmanship that you don't see on the modern jacks.
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Just picked this one up yesterday at a pawn shop. It has some flaws but I really like it. There was a Crown Zellerbach plant out in French town years ago, I expect it came from there. Thanks
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Bruce, that's a fine lookin' ol' Schrade! Always enjoy figuring out who and what the company was on such knives, not that I'll remember, but it's still interesting.
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Nice Rope knife ! Are there numbers on the back side of tang ? I think it is a 136, although i get this # confused with 163 and 186, all of which are big work knives.
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Thanks guys, I sure like it. When we were drivin' home Gordon says "jeeze are you lookin' at that knife again". But he's the guy that got me hooked in the first place, so he gets it. The tang stamp is 163. there are also 3 pins 2 steel 1 brass. From what i saw that makes a difference but not sure what. Thanks
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Nice knife, good tool. Be careful; it has no mercy if closing on a finger! If it does't snap hard get some Quick Release. Get it anyway.
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Can someone help me out. If this is a 163, what is a 136 ?
I am away from my knives so i can't go and find one.
thanks, kj
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The AAPK Schrade info from Dale in "Open Stock"
136: Lineman's Skinning knife/Hawkbill blade/4 7/16"
163: Rope or Hawser knife/large square point blade/4 7/16"
From the Schrade Cut Co Cat. E:
1361: Large Pruning knife/Hawkbill blade/4 7/16" (same as 136 above)
N1361:Rope or Hawser knife/large square point blade/4 7/16" (same as 163 above)
So in the Cut Co days 136 was used for this 4 7/16" frame whether with a Hawkbill or a Square Point blade.
The basic pattern numbers were carried over into Schrade-Walden days for most of the knives. However for this frame, S-W created a new number, 163, for the Rope knife version.
Easy to see how one can get confused as to which knife gets what number with this frame.
I am away from my knives so i can't go and find one.
thanks, kj
Edit to add:
The AAPK Schrade info from Dale in "Open Stock"
136: Lineman's Skinning knife/Hawkbill blade/4 7/16"
163: Rope or Hawser knife/large square point blade/4 7/16"
From the Schrade Cut Co Cat. E:
1361: Large Pruning knife/Hawkbill blade/4 7/16" (same as 136 above)
N1361:Rope or Hawser knife/large square point blade/4 7/16" (same as 163 above)
So in the Cut Co days 136 was used for this 4 7/16" frame whether with a Hawkbill or a Square Point blade.
The basic pattern numbers were carried over into Schrade-Walden days for most of the knives. However for this frame, S-W created a new number, 163, for the Rope knife version.
Easy to see how one can get confused as to which knife gets what number with this frame.