What is Your Latest Old Schrade?

Schrade Cutlery Company was founded in 1904 by George Schrade, and his brothers Jacob and William Schrade. In 1946 Imperial Knife Associated Companies, (IKAC; an association of Ulster Knife Co and Imperial Knife Co) purchased controlling interest in Schrade Cut Co and changed the name to Schrade Walden Cutlery. In 1973 the name was changed to Schrade Cutlery. In 2004 Schrade closed due to bankruptcy.

This forum is dedicated to the knives that are the legacy of this company. This forum is not the place to discuss the replica knives currently being imported using the Schrade name.
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Re: What is Your Latest Old Schrade?

Postby jerryd6818 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:11 am

kootenay joe wrote:Thanks Calvin. Someone (could be me) needs to find these black jigged handles on a beater knife and then remove one side and saw through for a fresh surface and then examine with a loupe, and thus solve the mystery of 'Jigged Black'.
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What's the matter Roland? Did you lose your 45X microscope. Very easy to tell the difference with one of those.
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Re: What is Your Latest Old Schrade?

Postby kootenay joe » Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:19 pm

Maybe the microscope works better than my eyes. I will examine them again and see if i can make out any 'little dots'. They are dyed black which covers over the black dots of bone if they are present.
Jerry do you have any of these jigged black handled, pre Delrin, Schrade-Walden knives ? If you do, what can you see using the 45x 'scope ?
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Re: What is Your Latest Old Schrade?

Postby jerryd6818 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:32 pm

kootenay joe wrote:Maybe the microscope works better than my eyes. I will examine them again and see if i can make out any 'little dots'. They are dyed black which covers over the black dots of bone if they are present.
Jerry do you have any of these jigged black handled, pre Delrin, Schrade-Walden knives ? If you do, what can you see using the 45x 'scope ?
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I'm not much of a Schrade guy so I don't have any Schrades that you're describing. That said, look along the edges of the handles. That's usually the most obvious place to tell, even on black handles.

So, I took a Camillus 67 with old black synthetic handles in good condition (not Delrin) and a '90s Camillus 72 with very good black bone handles and am putting them up for comparison.

The two knives;
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A naked eye comparison. Note the handles on the 67 with synthetic handles are solid black with no variations or lighter spots. Now look at the 72 with bone handles. See there are slight variations along the edge and the black is not as deep. Yeah, I know the pictures are not all that great but if you look closely without prejudice, you can see the difference. It's very easy to see the difference under 45X magnification. It's nigh on to impossible to get a solid black dye job on bone.
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Re: What is Your Latest Old Schrade?

Postby kootenay joe » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:24 pm

Jerry, thanks for your post & pictures. If i understand correctly you are saying bone does not take up dye well enough to be evenly & darkly stained along the edges. Is this mainly for black dye ? or any dye color ?
I have S-W with dark brown jigged bone handles with the edges equally dark as on jigged surface.
I will take 'edge' pictures when the light allows for good pictures.
even with the 45X lighted 'scope, i cannot convince myself of bone or synthetic.
Schrade-Walden in their early days made a number of patterns with these jigged black handles. Surely the long time Schrade collectors know if these are bone, synthetic, or both ?
I would like to know ea42's opinion, and orvet, as well as others. Let's figure this out now !
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Re: What is Your Latest Old Schrade?

Postby jerryd6818 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:12 pm

Roland, I haven't seen every black bone handled knife in existence so I'm unable to tell you if what I posted is true for every piece of black bone that's out there. What I can say is, no matter what the color, I have yet to inspect a bone handle under 45X magnification that didn't show the dots of the haversian canals.
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Re: What is Your Latest Old Schrade?

Postby kootenay joe » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:21 pm

Not sure if these pics are helpful; taken in full sunlight.
Pics showing edges of all three S-W 810's, 2 S-W 863, one is bone and the other has the same jigged black handles as on the 810's.
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Re: What is Your Latest Old Schrade?

Postby jerryd6818 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:26 pm

The black 863 has synthetic handles. Take a look with the 45X. Piece of cheese to tell.
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Re: What is Your Latest Old Schrade?

Postby kootenay joe » Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:52 pm

Looking at the black handled 863 with the lighted 45X magnifier i see what look like little dots scattered every where, front & edges. Maybe i need to send it to you for examination ?
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Re: What is Your Latest Old Schrade?

Postby jerryd6818 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:25 pm

If you wish.
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Re: What is Your Latest Old Schrade?

Postby kootenay joe » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:39 am

I did send these 2 Schrade Walden knives with jigged black handles to Jerry. He has just messaged me: "both are synthetic". So that is what they are.
Thanks for the consult Jerry.
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Re: What is Your Latest Old Schrade?

Postby wlf » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:57 am

Here's another Roland,I've posted these in the farmers jack thread,but maybe some Schrade collectors haven't seen them. Sorry if I have posted these here before.

Black "stagged" 730,I called them black composition.
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Re: What is Your Latest Old Schrade?

Postby wlf » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:03 am

And the S7309F fibestos handled ,wharncliff bladed , and bark loosening farmers jack. These handles didn't last long, any way you want to figure. I'm lucky to have one semi intact.
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Re: What is Your Latest Old Schrade?

Postby tongueriver » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:20 am

::tu:: I wonder what "Fibestos" was? I suspect that it did have asbestos in it.
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Re: What is Your Latest Old Schrade?

Postby kootenay joe » Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:27 pm

Every one of those SCC Florist/Bud Grafting knives i have seen has shown deterioration of the "Fibestos" handles. It is not a stable substance
Cal, do you think all of the black peach seed jigged SCC & S-W handles are synthetic ? Or was jigged bone also dyed black ?
Superb Farmer's Jack you have ! Hardly ever see one unused.
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Re: What is Your Latest Old Schrade?

Postby tongueriver » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:02 pm

kootenay joe wrote: Cal, do you think all of the black peach seed jigged SCC & S-W handles are synthetic ? Or was jigged bone also dyed black ?
kj

I don't think any of the black ones that I have seen were bone. I have seen more than one substance used for the black ones, however. Some are slick shiny hard glassy looking, and some duller material. I think it would be wonderful if some lab tech would tell us all about all these materials that they used before Delrin. CASE, Boker, Pal, LF&C all had proprietary black handles that were NOT celluloid, and some that were.
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