Is this a #44?

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Is this a #44?

Postby SElliott » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:27 pm

Tang showing the 60-late 70s stamp..no shield..catalog from early 70s showing a black SS #44 that is similar..this one is pearl, or nu-pearl or whatever name they came up with.. ::groove::
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Re: Is this a #44?

Postby jerryd6818 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 3:54 pm

If it's 3-1/8" closed, because of the tip bolsters, I would lean towards the #42 or #572. Actually (and I'm just guessing here) if it doesn't have a pattern number stamped on one of the blades (most commonly the master blade) and because of the later tang stamp, my guess would be the #572. As you can see from the catalog cuts, the handles are 'Nu Pearl' (Celluloid).

The #44 was shown in the 1949 catalog with genuine pearl handles but it had full bolsters, not tip bolsters. I don't see it in any catalogs after that so it had to be discontinued around 1950. Besides, it was way too early to have had that tang stamp.
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Re: Is this a #44?

Postby TwoFlowersLuggage » Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:07 pm

I agree with Jerry. I've got a couple of #42 and both have the number stamped on the tang. I think the 3 digit Camillus models are more likely to be lacking a stamped number.
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Re: Is this a #44?

Postby btrwtr » Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:37 pm

Not sure of the pattern but since it appears to be a sleeve board and not an equal end I would rule out the knives in the catalog cuts. I think this knife may pre-date the catalogs shown.
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Re: Is this a #44?

Postby jerryd6818 » Thu Sep 27, 2018 8:13 pm

btrwtr wrote:Not sure of the pattern but since it appears to be a sleeve board and not an equal end I would rule out the knives in the catalog cuts. I think this knife may pre-date the catalogs shown.

Now you've stirred up a hornets nest Wayne. I never even noticed that it's a sleeve board pattern. The monkey wrench in your opinion is the tang stamp (commonly) accepted as 1960-1976. I'm of the opinion that it was used for a short time before those dates and a short time after those dates.

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Re: Is this a #44?

Postby Vit_213 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:13 am

I think this is a regular #42 knife, and the sleeve board is an optical illusion.

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Re: Is this a #44?

Postby jerryd6818 » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:58 pm

I'm going with what Vit said.
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Re: Is this a #44?

Postby TwoFlowersLuggage » Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:31 am

I agree - not a sleeveboard, just photo perspective.
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Re: Is this a #44?

Postby SElliott » Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:02 pm

Vit_213 wrote:I think this is a regular #42 knife, and the sleeve board is an optical illusion.


This is definitely a sleeveboard..Which is what is confusing me on the pattern, at least as far as what I can locate in online catalogs..there are no remnants of a pattern number on neither blade. ::shrug:: ::shrug::

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Re: Is this a #44?

Postby gsmith7158 » Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:54 pm

Is that pin on the master nickel silver and the others brass? Could be a Camillus blade on an unknown frame.
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Re: Is this a #44?

Postby TwoFlowersLuggage » Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:14 am

The #44 sleeveboard appears in the 1972 catalog and is shown in every catalog and price list after that until it disappears in 1980. However, in every catalog in the 1970s where it is shown, it is shown as having black handles. The 1972 catalog says "features gleaming solid black handles". Later, the text was changed to "gleaming delrin handles".

Could the #44 sleeveboard have been re-introduced in cracked ice sometime between the 1965 & 1972 catalogs? It's a shame there aren't any Camillus catalogs online for that period.
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Re: Is this a #44?

Postby Vit_213 » Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:58 am

SElliott wrote: This is definitely a sleeveboard..Which is what is confusing me on the pattern, at least as far as what I can locate in online catalogs..there are no remnants of a pattern number on neither blade. ::shrug:: ::shrug::

What is the closed length?

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Re: Is this a #44?

Postby Mumbleypeg » Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:14 am

SElliott wrote:this one is pearl, or nu-pearl or whatever name they came up with.. ::groove::


Regardless of maker, I've heard that called "Mother of toilet seat". :lol: ::facepalm::

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