camillus #14 whittler

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I sure wish that Camillus had stayed with the bone handles but I can understand the reasoning for swithching to Delrin. Made to be working knives and the bone just to fragile, the Delrin nearly indestructable.
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I was trying to post this earlier but had issues with Explorer (or maybe my old steam powered PC) ::dang::
At ant rate here is the post & pics-


jerryd6818 wrote:Dale, look at the max magnification of the bottom picture, top view. Handles are definitely bone and beautiful bone at that.
You're right Jerry. It was late when I put the pictures up and I didn't take the time to look at them closely once I got been posted and could get them larger. I was more interested in getting them posted so everyone can see them.

This morning with a little more time to work with these, I put them through Photoshop. Unfortunately I am working with a digital copy of a print photograph. The print photograph loses a lot of the detail when you enlarge it. The scan of a photograph does not contain the detail that an electronic photograph does. Therefore, tweaking the photo digitally through Photoshop produces limited results. If anyone else cares to try their hand at improving these photos, feel free! My proficiency with Photoshop is certainly limited and I know a lot of people are better at it than I am.


tjmurphy wrote:The shield and the jigging say Ulster to me
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Tom,
Your Ulster is Delrin isn't it?
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I'm thinking it is Dale, but without the "hot pin" test I'm not sure, but won't do that one. It feels very hard and slick, but with a little less ring when tapped.
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orvet wrote:Mike mailed me some pictures of this knife. Here are scans of the six pictures Mike sent me of this knife.
I have not seen this knife before. Has anyone else seen one like it?
If so please post pictures and sharing information you have on this pattern.

I like the frame of this knife and feel of it in my hand. Since I have so many #72s already, it would be fun to find one of these as well. Mike said he thinks these were built on the same frame as the #72.

Camillus did make a #14 from the 1940s up until at least the late 1970s. It is listed as 3-3/8 inch serpentine jack. But the pictures shown in the catalog show it to be a standard jackknife with both blades on the same end, not on opposite ends.
dale, have you had a chance to look at the pix i sent of the older 4-line half-whittler yet?this is the one i'm really curious about- i know it's older than the #14, also 1/8" longer, and a different shape than the #14-i've never seen another one like it, anywhere.......

Mike, I can't tell too well from the pictures, are these bone handles? Could this knife possibly be pre-World War II?
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Especially looking at this JPG, with the shade of tan, I'm about 99% sure it is bone, even though it has more of a delrin jigging look. It has a natural color and shine that tells me bone.
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thawk wrote:Image

Especially looking at this JPG, with the shade of tan, I'm about 90% sure it is bone, even though it has more of a delrin jigging look. It has a natural color and shine that tells me bone.
thawk, they are definitely bone, that's about the only thing i'm definitely sure about on this knife!
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carrmillus wrote:
thawk wrote:
Especially looking at this JPG, with the shade of tan, I'm about 90% sure it is bone, even though it has more of a delrin jigging look. It has a natural color and shine that tells me bone.
thawk, they are definitely bone, that's about the only thing i'm definitely sure about on this knife!
Mike, could you check the closed length on this knife? Is it 3 3/8", 3 1/2", or 3 5/8". Seems like that master blade is shorter than the clip blade on a 72.

Thanks!
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thawk wrote:
carrmillus wrote:
thawk wrote:
Especially looking at this JPG, with the shade of tan, I'm about 90% sure it is bone, even though it has more of a delrin jigging look. It has a natural color and shine that tells me bone.
thawk, they are definitely bone, that's about the only thing i'm definitely sure about on this knife!
Mike, could you check the closed length on this knife? Is it 3 3/8", 3 1/2", or 3 5/8". Seems like that master blade is shorter than the clip blade on a 72.

Thanks!
thawk, it's 3 5/8"-it is identical to the #72 pattern as far as shape and length.the blade is about 3/16" shorter than a #72, and it doesn't have the match striker pull. it could be the same blade that's in the #14 jacknife. i also have an older 4 line half whittler thats 3 3/4" and a little different shape than the #72-has a bowtie shield, and the primary blade is a spear. i sent dale photos of it, also, maybe he will post them later-i've never seen another one like it, either.
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thawk wrote:
carrmillus wrote:
thawk wrote:
Especially looking at this JPG, with the shade of tan, I'm about 90% sure it is bone, even though it has more of a delrin jigging look. It has a natural color and shine that tells me bone.
thawk, they are definitely bone, that's about the only thing i'm definitely sure about on this knife!
Mike, could you check the closed length on this knife? Is it 3 3/8", 3 1/2", or 3 5/8". Seems like that master blade is shorter than the clip blade on a 72.

Thanks!
thawk, just pulled my #14 jacknife out of the display-the blade is identical to the blade marked #14 in the half whittler, except that the one in the jacknife has a nice swedge-dale may be right-this could be a "lunchbox special" some guy at the factory made out of parts from different knives-sure would like to know for sure if it's 1 of 1??????...........
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I believe what you have is a Sword Brand #238 it is listed
in the 1928 Sword Brand pages i listed page 404 center row
second from bottom.
Two blades ,large clip and small pen
brass lined,nickle silver bolsters and shield
length 3-5/8" stag handle $13.35 per dozen
I believe that the main blade had been replaced at some time
maybe a factory replacement?

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Well done Trav! Blade replacement based on stamping and the fact the pull is not a long one? I don't have hardly any reference material for older Camillus. Nice to see those old pictures. I'm seeing more of the upswept clip blade TJ mentioned yesterday, on some of those knives. Also the same frame three blade true whittler in the bottom right corner. Adding that third blade upped the price...
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thawk wrote:Well done Trav! Blade replacement based on stamping and the fact the pull is not a long one? I don't have hardly any reference material for older Camillus. Nice to see those old pictures. I'm seeing more of the upswept clip blade TJ mentioned yesterday, on some of those knives. Also the same frame three blade true whittler in the bottom right corner. Adding that third blade upped the price...
travman and thawk-thanks for your input on this knife!-the #238 on the catalog page sure looks like what i've got-if it's 1928 vintage, looks like to me it would be the 4 line stamp,though, instead of the 3 line stamp this one has. another thing that's kinda wierd is that the oval shield is not in a recess, it's just pinned to the bone-the bone in that area is pretty flat, so it's not noticeable, i had the knife for a long time before i realized it wasn't in a recess.
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Here's another 2-blade "72" pattern. Union Cutlery Co. Olean, NY. Both blades open from same end. Same closed length as the "72" but may be a tad slimmer.
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orvet wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:51 am Mike mailed me some pictures of this knife. Here are scans of the six pictures Mike sent me of this knife.
I have not seen this knife before. Has anyone else seen one like it?
If so please post pictures and sharing information you have on this pattern.

I like the frame of this knife and feel of it in my hand. Since I have so many #72s already, it would be fun to find one of these as well. Mike said he thinks these were built on the same frame as the #72.

Camillus did make a #14 from the 1940s up until at least the late 1970s. It is listed as 3-3/8 inch serpentine jack. But the pictures shown in the catalog show it to be a standard jackknife with both blades on the same end, not on opposite ends.


Mike, I can't tell too well from the pictures, are these bone handles? Could this knife possibly be pre-World War II?
I should have included my pics with this post. This is the Camillus half whittler I recently fished out of the bay.
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doglegg wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 7:15 pm
orvet wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:51 am Mike mailed me some pictures of this knife. Here are scans of the six pictures Mike sent me of this knife.
I have not seen this knife before. Has anyone else seen one like it?
If so please post pictures and sharing information you have on this pattern.

I like the frame of this knife and feel of it in my hand. Since I have so many #72s already, it would be fun to find one of these as well. Mike said he thinks these were built on the same frame as the #72.

Camillus did make a #14 from the 1940s up until at least the late 1970s. It is listed as 3-3/8 inch serpentine jack. But the pictures shown in the catalog show it to be a standard jackknife with both blades on the same end, not on opposite ends.


Mike, I can't tell too well from the pictures, are these bone handles? Could this knife possibly be pre-World War II?
I should have included my pics with this post. This is the Camillus half whittler I recently fished out of the bay. DSCN6964.JPGDSCN6965.JPGDSCN6966.JPGDSCN6967.JPGDSCN6968.JPGDSCN6969.JPGDSCN6970.JPG
I believe it may even be pre 1940. It is not listed in the 1946 or 1948 Camillus Catalogs.
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doglegg wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 7:15 pm
orvet wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:51 am Mike mailed me some pictures of this knife. Here are scans of the six pictures Mike sent me of this knife.
I have not seen this knife before. Has anyone else seen one like it?
If so please post pictures and sharing information you have on this pattern.

I like the frame of this knife and feel of it in my hand. Since I have so many #72s already, it would be fun to find one of these as well. Mike said he thinks these were built on the same frame as the #72.

Camillus did make a #14 from the 1940s up until at least the late 1970s. It is listed as 3-3/8 inch serpentine jack. But the pictures shown in the catalog show it to be a standard jackknife with both blades on the same end, not on opposite ends.


Mike, I can't tell too well from the pictures, are these bone handles? Could this knife possibly be pre-World War II?
I should have included my pics with this post. This is the Camillus half whittler I recently fished out of the bay. DSCN6964.JPGDSCN6965.JPGDSCN6966.JPGDSCN6967.JPGDSCN6968.JPGDSCN6969.JPGDSCN6970.JPG
That’s some Dandy fishing you did there Floyd,absolutely love that old piece! Beautiful Bones,nice ::tu:: ::tu::
Thanks for posting pics of that one !
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Papa Bones, I think it might be pre war as well but at least pre end of war. Thank you. ::handshake::

JP I was thrilled when I saw it and was really thrilled when I got it. Thank you. ::handshake::
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This thread confuses me. It's titled "camillus #14 whittler" but the 14 isn't a whittler and there's only one post with a catalog cut of a #14 and not a solid knife to be seen.

How about some real #14's

My first Camillus 14, bought 10-18-13
Camillus 14 Jack '60-'76 -- Labeled.JPG
My 4th Camillus 14. My first with bone handles.
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#5 with Rough Brown handles.
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#7 Aren't those bone handles just gorgeous.
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#10 a gift from Dimitri. Much appreciated.
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#15 Bone - short line and very pocket worn.
15th Camillus 14 Short Line - Bone Handles Labeled.JPG
#16 is one I bought last year for $6.10 + shipping
Camillus 14 ~ Early 70's - Indian Stag Delrin Handles - Labeled.JPG
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Very knice 14's Jerry. Some wonderful bones. ::nod::
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jerryd6818 wrote: Tue May 25, 2021 12:18 pm This thread confuses me. It's titled "camillus #14 whittler" but the 14 isn't a whittler and there's only one post with a catalog cut of a #14 and not a solid knife to be seen.

How about some real #14's

My first Camillus 14, bought 10-18-13
Camillus 14 Jack '60-'76 -- Labeled.JPG

My 4th Camillus 14. My first with bone handles.
Camillus 14 - Bone - Labeled.JPG

#5 with Rough Brown handles.
Camillus_#14_Rough_Brown -number three.jpg

#7 Aren't those bone handles just gorgeous.
Camillus 14 #7 Bone -1948 - 1953.JPG

#10 a gift from Dimitri. Much appreciated.
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#15 Bone - short line and very pocket worn.
15th Camillus 14 Short Line - Bone Handles Labeled.JPG

#16 is one I bought last year for $6.10 + shipping
Camillus 14 ~ Early 70's - Indian Stag Delrin Handles - Labeled.JPG

I seldom mention purchase price but y'all need to know what a bargain these knives are. The most I've paid for one was $21,50 (May 11 2016). The least was $3,27 & $2,37 shipping (4-9-19).
Thanks Jerry, nice 14s ::tu:: ::tu::
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Tread carefully JP. They will worm their way into your heart with no warning signs. Nobody can have just one.
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jerryd6818 wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 8:13 am Tread carefully JP. They will worm their way into your heart with no warning signs. Nobody can have just one.
MY FRIEND, hear you loud and clear. Have one ,but you know how that goes!! Cause now ,after seeing your bone handled14, need more!!!!.
Thanks to you and Floyd for brining up this old thread, have a good one down there ::handshake::
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He always has some little beauty to light your fire. Jerry has sold more knives than Obama did guns! ::nod:: ::nod::
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doglegg wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 2:24 pm He always has some little beauty to light your fire. Jerry has sold more knives than Obama did guns! ::nod:: ::nod::
Well, I am miffed. To think that you would put my name in the same sentence with Obama is a royal insult. :mrgreen: ::poke:: ::tease::
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::tounge:: ::tounge:: ::tounge:: ::tounge::
jerryd6818 wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 3:03 pm
doglegg wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 2:24 pm He always has some little beauty to light your fire. Jerry has sold more knives than Obama did guns! ::nod:: ::nod::
Well, I am miffed. To think that you would put my name in the same sentence with Obama is a royal insult. :mrgreen: ::poke:: ::tease::
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