NUGGETS OF CAMILLUS HISTORY FOR CAMILLUS ENTHUSIASTS

The Camillus Cutlery Company was one of the oldest knife manufacturers in the United States with roots dating back to 1876. The company manufactured Camillus branded knives and was a prolific contractor for other knife brands up until its last days in 2007 when the company filed for bankruptcy.
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Postby jerryd6818 » Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:17 pm

Thanks for posting those insights, Dale. Little historical nuggets like that are fascinating.
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Postby orvet » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:42 am

Tom has been mailing me some blueprint drawings from the Camillus factory.
I want to start a Camillus Research Section to put the knives in, but here is a rather cool tool Camillus made for the US Government.
It was used for recessed head aviation fasteners.
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We used the same sort of fasteners on the Gas Turbine pods that housed the start units for the F-4 Phantoms.
The Phantoms did not have an on-board start unit. They were started by trailer or pod mounted gas turbine engines (basically a small jet engine about 5 or 6 feet long). If the Phantom was flying into a field that did not have a Ground Support Equipment unit that kept the gas turbine start units, they had to put a pod mounted gas turbine under the wing so they could start the Phantom when they were ready to leave.

The pods and much of our gear Ground Support Equipment (GSE in the Marine Corps) gear used the same recessed head aviation fasteners that were used on aircraft. GSE was n=known as MARS in the USAF and the Navy called it Yellow Gear because of the color scheme used on aircraft carriers.

We used the same sort of fastener keys as those made by Camillus. That was over 40 years ago, so for all I remember our fastener keys may have been made by Camillus.

It is really cool to see the blueprints of tools we used in the Marine Corps!
Thanks for sharing these Tom!
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Postby singin46 » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:57 am

Here is a gently used Camco knife card from the late 1950s, can anyone name these 4 guys?
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Postby mickeyevans » Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:16 am

Hi Dale, great thread
I always see your signature claim about pattern 72 being perfect so I had to get one
here is the bay photo, claim is red bone, not delrin, we shall see when I get it
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Postby orvet » Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:50 am

Nice full blades on that knife Mick, but I think that one is Delrin.
I think from looking at the smooth parts of the handles near the bolsters that it is Delrin and not bone.
When you get the knife in hand, look at the smooth spots with 15X magnification or more. If the surface is smooth it is Delrin, if you see little pores and crazing (looks like tiny random cracks) then it is bone.

Either way you have a nice knife with full blades and an excellent candidate for a rehandle with bone.
It is a great excuse to learn how to repair your knives. :mrgreen:
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Postby jerryd6818 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:44 pm

Mickey that 72 looks like it's in very good condition. Be careful, the Camillus 72 pattern and it's clones are very addictive.

I saw that auction and considered correcting the seller but decided to keep my own council. I'm sorry to say the handles on your knife are not bone, they're Delrin. Camillus quit using bone for the handles on the 72s sometime in the 1950s and your knife was probably made in the 1970s or 1980s. They did make a couple of Special Factory Orders in the 1990s that had bone handles but it was black bone.
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Postby mickeyevans » Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:15 pm

thanks Jerry, that is why I should have learned more before buying, especially from ebay
I can probably return for a refund and demand the seller or ebay pay the return postage
I have started trouble over there and don't mind causing more trouble
did you see the fake case I got involved in?
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the post office trips and all the emailing back and forth is a pain, ebay wants you to make a deal with the seller, I have asked for partial refunds but no luck yet with that
although the sellers say they want to avoid a negative feedback, they really are not resonable so I give them one, although ebay makes you wait weeks before you can give a negative
anyway, you think the 26 I paid is worth the effort to return it or that is still a good knife for my first 72 with a learning experience and a good story
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Postby jerryd6818 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:44 pm

I think the $26 you paid for that 72 is just about right. You didn't steal it but neither did you pay too much. If it were me, I would keep it. It looks like it's in great condition.

I've learned to make my own decisions about knife handles and not take the sellers word for it. If I'm unsure, sometimes I'll question the seller before I buy. If I buy without questioning, I keep in mind it may not be bone so I'm not so disappointed when it arrives. There is some really good Delrin out there that is extremely difficult to tell it's not bone. The majority of sellers don't have a clue to start with so don't be too hard on them. You didn't know. What makes you think they should know just because they're the seller. Look at the other items they have for sale. If it's doll clothes and old oil cans (anything but knives), most likely it's not deceit but an honest mistake. Even some that sell a lot of knives don't know the difference.

I'm no expert by any means and get fooled now and then. When I do get fooled, I'm more disappointed with myself than I am the seller and I try to make it a learning experience.

The one thing you should always ask about is blade snap, especially on older knives. Lack of snap is a common fault with knives. Sometimes it's as simple as a dirty knife in need of some oil on the joints but just as often it's worn tangs and that's very difficult (impossible or very expensive) to fix. Sellers expect you to find the faults in a knife from the dozen (sometimes poor) pictures they post in the auction but you can't see snap or blade wobble in a picture so you gotta ask. I'm still looking for a way to ask about snap that Grandma Gert, who sells baby clothes, will understand.
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Postby orvet » Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:31 pm

Well said Jerry & nicely explained! ::clapping::
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Postby orvet » Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:07 am

There is an awesome website about Camillus knives that is nicely run by Larry, (AAPK member LRV). ::tu::
I thought I posted this link before, but perhaps not.

Here is the home page link. Go in, look around and be sure to see all the catalogs!
http://www.collectors-of-camillus.us/
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Postby orvet » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:53 pm

There is another excellent run by another AAPK member and devoted to Camillus knives.
Vitali, (Vit_213), has been able to preserve and improve the original Camillus website pages so they load faster than they did originally.
The site is in both Russian and English so be sure to click the American flag button to view it in English, unless you read Russian. :mrgreen:

http://www.camillusknives.ru/

Look around his site, there is a wealth of information.
He has the Camillus web pages from 2000 through 2007, plus a few extras he has added!
It is outstanding work on the format and content!
Be sure to check it out!

Thank you Vitali for sharing it with us! ::tu:: ::tu::
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Postby citytransplant » Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:06 am

mickeyevans wrote: although the sellers [on eBay] say they want to avoid a negative feedback, they really are not resonable so I give them one,

Wow sir, you certainly paint with a broad brush. To proclaim that all knife sellers on eBay are not reasonable is, in a word, foolish.

As a seller of over one thousand New York manufactured Schrade and Camillus knives on eBay, with 100% positive feedback, I felt compelled to respond to your comment. I work diligently to meet or exceed the expectations of those on the other end of every deal made on the popular auction site and I am certainly not alone in this regard. Your comment discredits and demeans the work that we do to ensure that customers get exactly, if not more than, what they bargain for. In my case, it is a NY made production knife exactly as described and depicted in my listings.

I only ask that you please reply with your eBay ID so I can promptly add it to my "blocked bidder" list.

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Postby orvet » Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:20 am

The post you quoted was made in 2013.
Mickey has learned a lot about knives since then. ::nod::
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Postby citytransplant » Sun Jan 11, 2015 4:32 pm

orvet wrote: Mickey has learned a lot about knives since [2013].

Dale, I only hope his understanding of the existence of reasonable knife sellers on the popular auction site has been honed as sharply as his knowledge of knives during the last year or more.

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