NUGGETS OF CAMILLUS HISTORY FOR CAMILLUS ENTHUSIASTS

The Camillus Cutlery Company was one of the oldest knife manufacturers in the United States with roots dating back to 1876. The company manufactured Camillus branded knives and was a prolific contractor for other knife brands up until its last days in 2007 when the company filed for bankruptcy.
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Postby orvet » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:38 am

Awesome Trav! ::tu:: ::tu:: ::drool::
According to the Kastor list that was linked in the Knife World article the Stainless Cut Co brand was made for Shumate Cut Co and for HS&B. From that I would take it that they were not marketed as a Camillus brand.
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Postby travman » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:48 am

Thanks Dale
i have been searching the last couple days for an
article that i read stating that Camillus tried to sell the Stainless knives as
their own brand ,but was ended quickly because at the time it hurt their
SALES for the Camillus Brand .Seems buyers were thinking all Camillus knives were
now being made with stainless steel?If i can find it again i will post it.

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Postby orvet » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:06 am

travman wrote:Thanks Dale
i have been searching the last couple days for an
article that i read stating that Camillus tried to sell the Stainless knives as
their own brand ,but was ended quickly because at the time it hurt their
SALES for the Camillus Brand .Seems buyers were thinking all Camillus knives were
now being made with stainless steel?If i can find it again i will post it.

Trav


Thanks Trav, I would like to see that article.
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Postby travman » Tue Feb 07, 2012 4:52 am

Dale
I havent found the article about Camillus and the Stainless Cutlery yet
but i did come across an article about Queen stamping their knives stainless
and it not working well, so i am thinking that is the article i read and confused it with Camillus
i will keep searching for the article about Camillus but for now i will assume i made a mistake
in my previous post
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Postby orvet » Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:04 am

No problem Trav.
The details get blurry in my head too! ::shrug::
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Postby trutemper » Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:30 am

This is a great thread Dale and I really appreciate all of your hard work and will be frequenting this forum a lot as time allows. Camillus has made a lot of fine cutlery through the years and I`ll be getting a few photos of some in my collection (stainless cutlery, syracuse cutlery, & related Camillus brands)and post when I can. Thanks again.

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Postby ironmage » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:54 pm

Miller Bro`s wrote:Very interesting stuff Dale!

I just found this thread, I can`t believe no one else posted here in a month ::shrug::

This is the information I like about knives and the companies that made them.

I will help if I can. Do you know how many different variations of the Camillus stamp was used up to the end of WW II?

Dimitri

The Dunlap stamp was used from 38 to 42.They where in to so many different brand names it is going to be tough.The did make grate knives.Thanks for all the information guy's.
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Postby orvet » Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:21 pm

One of our members, gringo, posted this link in another forum.
I thought Camillus collectors would enjoy the link.

Some of these I have posted before, but some are ones I don't have copies of.
It pertains to Camillus knives made for the US Military during WW II.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/39088889/Cami ... 41-to-1946
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Postby Vit_213 » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:22 pm

Dale! I'm surprised!
This document already 2 years present on the Larry Vickery site - http://www.collectors-of-camillus.us/Hi ... -1945s.pdf

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Postby orvet » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:05 pm

No Vit, I had not seen that.
I have not sent Larry any new catalogs in a couple years due to health problems, both mine and my wife.
I have not even been able to work on knives or keep up with all the forums I would like to.
I have to go to the surgeon next month to set up another surgery. I hope that will be the last surgery I have to have for a long time.

I have a few of those copies that Tom sent me, plus a bunch more.
I need to organize them and send them to Larry.


Getting old is so time consuming; doctor appointments, surgeries, it takes twice as long to do simple things and naps. All these things take up my time.








But most of my time is spent looking for the thing I just had in my hand 2 minutes ago and now I can't find! ::dang::
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Postby Vit_213 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:12 pm

Newspaper article from Tom Williams
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Postby singin46 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:19 am

Thanks for going to the trouble Dale, this is some great reading. ::tu::
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Postby jerryd6818 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:20 pm

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Postby orvet » Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:58 am

Tom Williams (CAMCO) contacted me recently about getting his password reset for AAPK so he could log in.
He has some information he wants to post here.

We exchanged a few emails and spoke on the phone today.
Here is an excerpt from one of his emails to me. In this excerpt he discusses Camillus tang stamps and how unreliable it is to try to date Camillus knives by the tang stamp.
After reading what he wrote I think you will understand that dating Camillus knives by the tang stamp is very unreliable.


From Tom Williams-
I was thinking about our conversations about dating Camillus knives by the tang stamps. I think the best way to describe the way that Camillus used the different stampings is to say that they overlapped. A new tang stamp would be introduced while older stampings were still in use. A new stamping may be introduced when a new line of knives was first offered or an old tang stamp wore out. Usually there were no records to indicate when stampings were changed. Sometimes a run of knives were produced and more than one tang stamp may show up on the knives. There may have been a shortage of blades to complete an order so a box of blades with an older tang stamp may be used.

The all stainless steel 4 blade camp knives (MIL-K knives or model #S1760 knives) had the years stamped on them and the new stamp with the new year was used when older blades were used up or the stamp wore out. We rarely started using the new blades in January of a new year when blades were left from the previous year. Take a year like 2002 and we may have not used the correctly stamped 2002 blades until April or May after all the 2001 blades were used up. I would check every year to see when the new stampings were first used and I can not remember the exact year, but one time we did not change over until September. I kept track of the change because knife collectors would want the new year knives when they first were manufactured. That probably happened because in November or December of 2001 a run of 100,000 blades was produced. Enough to finish up the production needs of 2001 plus many more than was needed. I hope this helps explain the use of tang stamps. .

Remember when the older knives were made there was not many knife collectors as there are today. During WWII the objective was to get the knives made and shipped to the servicemen that needed them as soon as possible. Interest in collecting WWII military knives came long after the war was over. Because of shortages and rationing, whatever was available was used.



For those of you who do not know Tom he worked for Camillus for 30 years, until the factory closed.
His mother worked for Camillus for 55 years, so you could say Tom was born & raised at Camillus.

Tom also shared with me some exciting projects he has been working on.
I won’t spoil his surprise; I will let him share it with you when he is ready. It is really neat! ::ds::
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Postby orvet » Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:33 am

Here is a tidbit of Camillus history that Tom Williams sent me.
I had never stopped to think about how many times per day a knife inspector would have to open and close knives. No doubt they open and closed thousands of blades each and every day. It only takes one stiff blade to rip your thumbnail off and if that is your primary tool for opening & closing blades, you would be in a world of hurt, quite literally!

It only makes sense to me that the inspectors would use knife openers.
It also makes sense that they would be bigger than the little ones you see given out by different knife companies.

From Tom Williams:
“I found these knife openers today and I thought that you would like to see them. We used these at the Camillus factory and they were a common item that was made in-house. They were usually made from a paring or steak knife that was cut down to the right length. I got these from a lady that I worked with at Camillus. When you work in a knife factory many of the employees wore gloves and this required a knife opener. The inspectors would open thousands of knives a day and one of these was a necessity.”

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Thanks for sharing these Tom.
I love these little insights into what life was like working at Camillus!
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