Who's into S & M?

[jerryd6818]

While scrolling through the thread, I noticed I had forgotten to post this '92 Barlow. I think this was the first S&M I bought. It's from the 1992 Keystone Series. When I got it, I didn't even know there was a Keystone Series.

Edit: I just noticed I failed to post my own picture of that white bone 29 after I received it. This is such an elegant knife.

[steve99f]

That bottom jack is lovely Jerry!

[QTCut5]

This is such an elegant knife.

Yeah, Buddy...that is a very elegant knife. Smooth white bone is one of my top 3 favorite handle materials (along with ivory & stag), and your S&M 29 causes a veritable Pavolovian deluge from me for sure Nice presentation.

~Q~

[jerryd6818]

Thanks for the kind words gents.

[bigbore]

Besides the S&M Swingguards i showed in the swingguard thread i only own two S&M

[bdev]

I sold off most of my modern Schatt & Morgan knives but did keep a few. I just couldn't part with this one for obvious reasons.

[Tsar Bomba]

I sold off most of my modern Schatt & Morgan knives but did keep a few. I just couldn't part with this one for obvious reasons.

I'm surprised Mr. Queen himself got rid of a lot of Queen S&M knives. Can't blame you for keeping that sweet Winterbottom gunstock though.

While scrolling through the thread, I noticed I had forgotten to post this '92 Barlow. I think this was the first S&M I bought. It's from the 1992 Keystone Series. When I got it, I didn't even know there was a Keystone Series.

I keep forgetting this knife is an S&M because of the QUEEN STEEL bolster stamp -- they use the same stamp on a short run (50) stag skate key Barlow which is Queen-branded so I just sorta lump it in with them. My only Keystone Series knife, as I recently discovered -- of course it doesn't actually have a keystone anywhere ON it so...

Yours seems waaaaay redder than mine (or perhaps mine is waaaaay more orange than yours ). The sawcut is different, too.

[bdev]

I sold off most of my modern Schatt & Morgan knives but did keep a few. I just couldn't part with this one for obvious reasons.

I'm surprised Mr. Queen himself got rid of a lot of Queen S&M knives. Can't blame you for keeping that sweet Winterbottom gunstock though.

Yea....I surprised myself too. One day I decided to sell off most of my S&M's to concentrate on older Queens. I kept that Gunstock, a Swing Guard, a boys knife, a keystone single blade jack from 2013 and a new swell center 376 (my EDC).

[Adog]

Interior Mammoth Ivory Trapper

[Quick Steel]

[QTCut5]

Interior Mammoth Ivory Teardrop.

~Q~

[PCwizard]

1993 Schatt & Morgan 06181 L Swing Guard, File and Wire, Winterbottom.
Blade's Guide to Knives & Their Values states only 50 of these were made.

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[knowtracks]

Hate to be the one that bursts your bubble PC.
But that swing guard was made in `93 as you stated, it is included in that years Annual Reproduction Series. The 3rd Series released, all 6 knives in Winterbottom bone, 600 sets made. The 1st year of the Annual Repro. Series, Queen made more than 600 sets, but all the rest of the years had 600 sets made.

Hope this isn't to bad of news to you!

Dave

[PCwizard]

Hate to be the one that bursts your bubble PC.
But that swing guard was made in `93 as you stated, it is included in that years Annual Reproduction Series. The 3rd Series released, all 6 knives in Winterbottom bone, 600 sets made. The 1st year of the Annual Repro. Series, Queen made more than 600 sets, but all the rest of the years had 600 sets made.

Hope this isn't to bad of news to you!

Dave

If I posted the wrong info I'm Sorry. The Book I used was:

Blades Guild 7th Edition, Page 520, Line Number 13.
1993 Schatt & Morgan 06181 L Swing Guard SERIES III
File and Wire, Swing Guard Lockback, Winterbottom Bone

[kootenay joe]

When were the S&M knives with "interior mammoth" released ? Are they still available through certain dealers ?
kj

[QTCut5]

When were the S&M knives with "interior mammoth" released ? Are they still available through certain dealers ?
kj

Mine has a tang stamp of 1997.
Check out Plumbob's AAPK store...he has a few real beauties for sale.

https://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/catalog/plumbob

~Q~

[knowtracks]

Hate to be the one that bursts your bubble PC.
But that swing guard was made in `93 as you stated, it is included in that years Annual Reproduction Series. The 3rd Series released, all 6 knives in Winterbottom bone, 600 sets made. The 1st year of the Annual Repro. Series, Queen made more than 600 sets, but all the rest of the years had 600 sets made.

Hope this isn't to bad of news to you!

Dave

If I posted the wrong info I'm Sorry. The Book I used was:

Blades Guild 7th Edition, Page 520, Line Number 13.
1993 Schatt & Morgan 06181 L Swing Guard SERIES III
File and Wire, Swing Guard Lockback, Winterbottom Bone

Don't know where they got their information PC but I'd be willing to bet half a years wages that Queen made 600 sets of Winterbottom bone with that swing guard included in the Annual Reproduction Series in `93
If you get a chance read "American Pocketknives" by David Krauss pretty sure the stats are in there. I know from talking to Clarence Risner many times what Queen was up to in those days. Clarence had more SFO's made during that period than everyone else combined, he made the Premier Series and was constantly talking with Jenny. But now Jenny is no long at Queen and Clarence has passed.
Here is the `93 set and also the 2000 set. 2000 was the 1st year the advertising actually showed how many set were produced. But all 20 Annual sets had 600 produced except the 1st year, 1991, I'm not sure exactly how many were made that year, but it was more than 600.

Dave

[kootenay joe]

Quote QTCut5: "Check out Plumbob's AAPK store...he has a few real beauties for sale"

Wow ! Thank you. ivory whittler inbound.
kj

[Brumbydownunder]

Not sure if I have posted this previously but if I have it deserves a second run Pattern #80 Sway Belly

Derek

[jerryd6818]

Hate to be the one that bursts your bubble PC.
But that swing guard was made in `93 as you stated, it is included in that years Annual Reproduction Series. The 3rd Series released, all 6 knives in Winterbottom bone, 600 sets made. The 1st year of the Annual Repro. Series, Queen made more than 600 sets, but all the rest of the years had 600 sets made.

Hope this isn't to bad of news to you!

Dave

If I posted the wrong info I'm Sorry. The Book I used was:

Blades Guild 7th Edition, Page 520, Line Number 13.
1993 Schatt & Morgan 06181 L Swing Guard SERIES III
File and Wire, Swing Guard Lockback, Winterbottom Bone

Don't know where they got their information PC but I'd be willing to bet half a years wages that Queen made 600 sets of Winterbottom bone with that swing guard included in the Annual Reproduction Series in `93
If you get a chance read "American Pocketknives" by David Krauss pretty sure the stats are in there. I know from talking to Clarence Risner many times what Queen was up to in those days. Clarence had more SFO's made during that period than everyone else combined, he made the Premier Series and was constantly talking with Jenny. But now Jenny is no long at Queen and Clarence has passed.
Here is the `93 set and also the 2000 set. 2000 was the 1st year the advertising actually showed how many set were produced. But all 20 Annual sets had 600 produced except the 1st year, 1991, I'm not sure exactly how many were made that year, but it was more than 600.

Dave
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Spot on Dave. Those were the Keystone series. The first set made in 1991. The last, Series XX (20), made in 2010.

They did make a couple of swing guards in the File & Wire series.
The first was Series #1 Edition #2 made in 1999 and had a clip blade.
The second was in Series #2 Edition #4 made in 2003 and had a spear blade. Neither one had Winterbottom handles

[QTCut5]

Picked up another of my favorite S&M pattern: #41 Copperhead...in one of my favorite handle materials: Stag. What's not to like with this one? Perhaps I've just gotten lucky with my last few Queen/S&M/Queen City purchases, but it seems the quality is getting back up to the old Queen standard. Maybe the Daniels family is getting things back on track, I don't know; but, this Copperhead has nice smooth walk & talk (none of that gritty action I've come to fear and expect on S&M builds) and perfectly centered blade.

~Q~

[americanedgetech]

Darn. The thread title had me hoping...

[philco]

Picked up another of my favorite S&M pattern: #41 Copperhead...in one of my favorite handle materials: Stag. What's not to like with this one? Perhaps I've just gotten lucky with my last few Queen/S&M/Queen City purchases, but it seems the quality is getting back up to the old Queen standard. Maybe the Daniels family is getting things back on track, I don't know; but, this Copperhead has nice smooth walk & talk (none of that gritty action I've come to fear and expect on S&M builds) and perfectly centered blade.

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~Q~

Q I do know that the Daniels clan has worked diligently to improve the quality of the product that goes out their doors. I've talked to both Ryan and Ken Daniels about this and they both see quality as vitally important and have expressed a strong determination to move in a positive direction.

[QTCut5]

Phil, that is music to my ears as I've been a fan and collector of Queen Cutlery for a long time. I hope they can find a way to keep going, I'm sure it's not easy; but, Queen is a genuine made in USA, true blue American company that I will continue to proudly support as much as I possibly can.

~Q~

[kootenay joe]

Q, how is the blade grind and edge sharpness on your new Copperhead ? Standard rather thick grind and a dull edge ? Or is there improvement here as well ?
kj