Winterbottom Bone or not?

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Winterbottom Bone or not?

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I’m new to collecting and have found a Queen pattern that is either Winterbottom or delrin. The knife is as follows, 4” closed Queen Hawbaker Improved Muskrat. On the secondary blade it is etched, Hawbaker’s Special. On the main blade is etched, Improved Muskrat Knife. The knife looks totally unused. Pure jet black scales with white near the bolsters. Does anyone know if this pattern was made in Delrin Winterbottom? Obviously I really like the black and white original bone. Thanks in advance for your advice.
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Hemitime wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:39 am I’m new to collecting and have found a Queen pattern that is either Winterbottom or delrin. The knife is as follows, 4” closed Queen Hawbaker Improved Muskrat. On the secondary blade it is etched, Hawbaker’s Special. On the main blade is etched, Improved Muskrat Knife. The knife looks totally unused. Pure jet black scales with white near the bolsters. Does anyone know if this pattern was made in Delrin Winterbottom? Obviously I really like the black and white original bone. Thanks in advance for your advice.
A picture would be very useful if possible.
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I don’t want to take the picture off there website.
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Hemitime wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:42 am I don’t want to take the picture off there website.
Can you provide a link to the pic?
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Hemitime,
Which one of these two handles is the most similar to the knife in question? I know they are not the same frame but the handle material is easy to see the difference when compared side by side.
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The one on the top is Imitation Winterbottom Bone, delrin.
The bottom knife is real Winterbottom Bone.
Neither knife has been sharpened.
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I think he's asking if Queen ever made a hawbaker in winterbottom. He's looking at a black handled version right now. I've seen them in just about every handle BUT winterbottom although there was a Schatt & Morgan version done in 2008.
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Could I email it to one of you guys?
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http://www.cuttingedge.com/knife/klc154 ... 52BCutlery

Try this and see if you can see the knife.
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Definitely Delrin. ::nod:: Although I wouldn't call that "jet black"...it looks like standard, run-of-the-mill brown Delrin to me (and, yes, I do believe it's original).

Queen Hawbaker Muskrat.jpg

Curious that the description states "Stag Scales" ::hmm::
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It looks to consistent to be bone to me, but I read a post on another forum that said Queen released this improved Muskrat in 4 handle choices, one being winterbottom bone and Delrin was not a choice. ::shrug::
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I don't know about the Muskrat pattern, but I do know both Winterbottom Bone and Delrin were used on the Mini Trapper #51 pattern.

Some examples of each:
Winterbottom DELRIN
Winterbottom DELRIN
Winterbottom BONE
Winterbottom BONE
Winterbottom BONE
Winterbottom BONE
Delrin, Delrin, Bone
Delrin, Delrin, Bone
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Looks like Delrin to me. Why not just call the seller and ask? From the address I’d guess that’s A.G. Russell - surely they will know what the material is ::shrug::

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I will do that this afternoon. I will try to speak to someone other than the person who posted it for sale!
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Oops, my bad on my post above. I honestly thought he was talking about handles on the knife in question that were actually some kind of black material but was curious as to whether they made the knife in winterbottom. ::dang:: ::shrug::

Completely misunderstood that one, time for more coffee I guess.

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The knife in question is definitely delrin.
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I bought some Canal Street knives from these guys once upon a time, everything went smoothly. Just an FYI. 😉
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Hemitime wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:38 pm I will do that this afternoon. I will try to speak to someone other than the person who posted it for sale!
I have both bought and sold knives on consignment through The Cutting Edge and never had any problems. When someone sells a knife through their site, they take all the photos and write up the listing info (not the owner of the knife), so when you call, you can only speak to the employees (not the knife's owner). Here's a little tip for if/when you do call AG Russell (The Cutting Edge): You can make an offer that they will communicate to the owner of the knife. Personally, I feel that $150 is too high for that particular knife (although it is a very nice knife, no doubt). I think $75-$80 is more reasonable, especially for Delrin handles. Good luck...I hope you get it...and for a fair price. :)
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Mumbleypeg wrote: Thu Aug 05, 2021 6:31 pm Looks like Delrin to me. Why not just call the seller and ask? From the address I’d guess that’s A.G. Russell - surely they will know what the material is ::shrug::

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As I noted earlier...they have it listed as having "Stag Scales" which clearly isn't true (evidently someone made a mistake when writing up the listing info).
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Thanks guys, I’m not interested in Delrin. Mute point now anyway because it sold.
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