#36 Sunfish w/Interior Mammoth not in production totals

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#36 Sunfish w/Interior Mammoth not in production totals

Postby gsmith7158 » Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:26 pm

I picked this mammoth sunfish up over the weekend. It's marked 09 production prototype but doesn't show up in the production totals. Any ideas?
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Re: #36 Sunfish w/Interior Mammoth not in production totals

Postby XX Case XX » Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:37 pm

Super looking knife Greg. I hope you find the totals but I'd be willing to bet they didn't make many of those.

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Re: #36 Sunfish w/Interior Mammoth not in production totals

Postby edge213 » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:35 pm

Can't help you, but that's a great looking knife.
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Re: #36 Sunfish w/Interior Mammoth not in production totals

Postby gsmith7158 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:23 am

Mike, David thanks for the compliments. I wish I could find somebody that might know if it was a rendezvous knife or something.
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Re: #36 Sunfish w/Interior Mammoth not in production totals

Postby Rusty1 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:48 pm

It is either 1 of 1 or nothing more than 1 of 2. Up to 2009 GEC made two prototypes of each knife, after 2009 they made only one, so it could be hard to tell where yours lies. Prototypes were never listed on production totals.

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Re: #36 Sunfish w/Interior Mammoth not in production totals

Postby gsmith7158 » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:55 pm

Wow! That's great information Russell. Thanks very much.
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Re: #36 Sunfish w/Interior Mammoth not in production totals

Postby kootenay joe » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:08 pm

According to Levine "prototype" properly refers to a new pattern, one that manufacturer has not previously made. Was GEC making 1 or 2 'prototypes per pattern ? or per handle material ?
Greg's 2009 clearly marked "Prototype" has ivory handles yet this was not one of the handle options. I think the double pull master blade is unique to this pattern in 2009. So Greg's knife is the prototype for all double pull #36's and was the first made. How did it get the ivory ? My bet is one of the owners wanted it for himself. It's a heck of a fine pattern and with ivory it is a real standout.
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Re: #36 Sunfish w/Interior Mammoth not in production totals

Postby gsmith7158 » Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:20 am

kootenay joe wrote:According to Levine "prototype" properly refers to a new pattern, one that manufacturer has not previously made. Was GEC making 1 or 2 'prototypes per pattern ? or per handle material ?
Greg's 2009 clearly marked "Prototype" has ivory handles yet this was not one of the handle options. I think the double pull master blade is unique to this pattern in 2009. So Greg's knife is the prototype for all double pull #36's and was the first made. How did it get the ivory ? My bet is one of the owners wanted it for himself. It's a heck of a fine pattern and with ivory it is a real standout.
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Kj go back and look at monks first post in the thread where you posted your Ivory 46 . There is a exterior mammoth and an interior mammoth #36 DP. I believe I have that same knife that was sold in 2010 by Greg at TSA KNIVES. Here's the link
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Re: #36 Sunfish w/Interior Mammoth not in production totals

Postby kootenay joe » Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:34 am

Greg, compare the 2 'ID Cards'. they are not the same. look at position of ' relative to "P" in Prototype.
So different card = different knife ? most likely ?
what do you think ?
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Re: #36 Sunfish w/Interior Mammoth not in production totals

Postby gsmith7158 » Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:45 am

kootenay joe wrote:Greg, compare the 2 'ID Cards'. they are not the same. look at position of ' relative to "P" in Prototype.
So different card = different knife ? most likely ?
what do you think ?
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Yes I see what you mean. 3 or more mammoth prototypes? The mystery deepens!
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Re: #36 Sunfish w/Interior Mammoth not in production totals

Postby kootenay joe » Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:19 am

Yes, so far 2 interior mammoth and one exterior 'bark' mammoth. I think you have many of us on the search for the other 2 mammoth 36's from 2009.
There is a lot of interest right now in the GEC toenail patterns, the #36 & #46, and especially those with ivory (includes mammoth ivory). It is possible to buy a 36 or 46 with less desirable handles and get it re-handled in ivory and sell it for up to $1000 and thus make a hefty profit. If you do come across an ivory 36 or 46 it would be a good idea to check the GEC "Production Totals" to see if an ivory knife was made that year. Nothing wrong with a re-handled GEC knife as long as it is not represented as 'all original'.
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Re: #36 Sunfish w/Interior Mammoth not in production totals

Postby LSS152 » Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:27 pm

Roland who could or would re-handle a knife? I have 3 ironwood #46's. I was going to keep one as original and maybe sell the others, but the more I think about it I would love to have one in ivory, Mammoth or Elephant. Thanks for the help!

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Re: #36 Sunfish w/Interior Mammoth not in production totals

Postby big monk » Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:41 pm

LSS152 wrote:Roland who could or would re-handle a knife? I have 3 ironwood #46's. I was going to keep one as original and maybe sell the others, but the more I think about it I would love to have one in ivory, Mammoth or Elephant. Thanks for the help!


Muskrat Man ( Kaleb) can do that for you --he has done many for me, like the ones below** ( you can find the slabs or he will*) -- highly recommend ::tu::
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Re: #36 Sunfish w/Interior Mammoth not in production totals

Postby big monk » Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:57 pm

kootenay joe wrote:According to Levine "prototype" properly refers to a new pattern, one that manufacturer has not previously made. Was GEC making 1 or 2 'prototypes per pattern ? or per handle material ?
Greg's 2009 clearly marked "Prototype" has ivory handles yet this was not one of the handle options. I think the double pull master blade is unique to this pattern in 2009. So Greg's knife is the prototype for all double pull #36's and was the first made. How did it get the ivory ? My bet is one of the owners wanted it for himself. It's a heck of a fine pattern and with ivory it is a real standout.
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Ken Daniels had a few of the Ivory scales made and sold them to a few that knew about them being made** ( notice he signed the COA ) -- back in the day,there were lots of different knives made, ( low production totals) just for Ken,and he would sell to "preferred collectors" relatives,or friends -- he would also have a short run and give them to dealers,as gifts -- was a lot of fun,trying to keep up with GEC back then !!!! :)
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Re: #36 Sunfish w/Interior Mammoth not in production totals

Postby kootenay joe » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:10 pm

Big Monk, your explanation of Ken D. having a few special GEC knives made for friends, dealers etc is the info needed to understand the GEC 'oddities' which often are the best examples made.
I have an ivory 72 from Caleb and i concur 100%: absolute top notch workmanship and person too.
Question: is a GEC re-handled in ivory as valuable as the same knife handled in ivory by GEC ?
I think the cutlers who re-handle should mark the knife in a way that indicates not all original.
I predict that we will start to see #36 & #46 patterns re-handled in ivory being sold as 'all original' for prices as high as $1000.
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