Understanding Pattern #15

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Understanding Pattern #15

Postby kootenay joe » Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:37 pm

Here is an auction for a 2013 #15 pattern Barlow; very well made as can be seen in pictures, sold for $476.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Great-Eastern- ... true&rt=nc

There have been a great many runs of pattern 15, each making a slight variation in etch or handle material, or blade type. Some of these i have observed selling 'high', over $300; whereas others sell in the range of original price ($90-$130 roughly).
Can someone tell me which of the #15's are the highly sought ones (i.e. high priced), and why ?
Any information about these 15's will be helpful. There are so many variations it is a challenge to understand the 'ranking'.
thanks, kj
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Re: Understanding Pattern #15

Postby robbobus » Sun Jan 28, 2018 2:50 pm

That went for a pretty penny. Those barlows are outstanding, especially if you bought them from a dealer. That clip point from 2013 was, I think, the second run of Charlie's barlows and possibly the most popular. About 500 made total in about a dozen variations. Some people want to make a set, some just want what they can get, driving the price through the roof. My user barlow is from this run, brown sawcut I believe, but its stored away for now. Oh, I found mine on the secondary market and paid an outrageous $55. ::groove::

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Re: Understanding Pattern #15

Postby Old Hunter » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:04 pm

KJ, I've never understood it either. I own about 13 GEC's, five of them the AAPK Club Knives (only ones that I know where to find). The rest have been from reserving in time to get one when the short window opened - and that always from being tipped by a post here on AAPK or Blade Forum. OH
Ps I have one TC Barlow, a 2013 with a Sheepfoot main - only got it because a friendly fellow Blade Forum member sent me a PM with a link and told me it was time to order one.
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Re: Understanding Pattern #15

Postby MadTrapper » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:12 pm

Although some will try, there's no explaining it because it makes no sense. You gotta be a member of the GEC #77 and #15 Secret Society to get one. ::td::
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Re: Understanding Pattern #15

Postby Tsar Bomba » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:59 pm

CK is allegedly going to have reservations for the 77 Barlow but they have already pushed them back once because of clarification on the handle materials.

I"m just glad they haven't gone with the "lolly scramble" model KSF and others have chosen. ::td::
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Re: Understanding Pattern #15

Postby kootenay joe » Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:47 pm

I am still hoping that someone will post "Everything You Need to Know About Pattern #15".
i.e. "these are the valuable runs" and why;
and "these are the average 15's, not so highly sought".

Somebody's gotta know !
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Re: Understanding Pattern #15

Postby knowtracks » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:23 pm

Hey KJ,
If you are just talking about Charlie's TC #15 Barlows, the 1st two runs are more sought after and of course the particular knives in the preceding runs that GEC only made a few of, IE 3 or 5 of a certain handle material. Like in the very 1st run there were only 5 Barlows made with Copperhead bone covers in a two blade. As you can well imagine Charlie was not ready for the over whelming response to this SFO and didn't have that many made in the 1st two runs. ::dang:: But GEC has made many other knives on this pattern not just Barlows. Some of which are in my favorites to carry! ::tu::

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Re: Understanding Pattern #15

Postby m0nk » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:18 am

KJ, I've often wondered what the secret is on the highly sought-after patterns too, or more accurately, why some of them are not big sellers. To start with, the #15 pattern is just a good mid-size knife, not too big and not too small. Plus any kind of a GEC Barlow seems to be a hot item. Some S&M barlows are sitting on the shelves with no apparent frenzy. However, there are still #15 Crown Lifters on the dealers' shelves, and personally I like the antique yellow bone. I can see why the Beer Scouts are sold out, because, well, it's a Beer Scout. But the Crown Lifters are basically the same knife, just without the bail and the Beer Scout embellishments. There are still lots of really nice 78 single blades available, but I understand that lots of them were made so it could be just a numbers game. In general, I've seen the SFO single blade models go very fast, it seems to be just that simple that they are viewed as more collectable and therefore desirable. I don't think there are any 78 SFOs still available. The appaloosa 78s were literally sold before GEC started making them. Another example, the 54 Big Jack SFO for KSF in muslin micarta is a classy looking knife, yet they still have some left probably because it's a 2-blade. So I'd have to conclude that a (1) single blade SFO, (2) barlow pattern, (3) in a GEC #15 frame seems to be the magic formula. ...Or just a Northwoods brand in any configuration, yeah, those are all magical too.

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Re: Understanding Pattern #15

Postby kootenay joe » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:03 am

Thanks for this input guys.
Is the 2013 Tom's Choice Barlow i show in O.P. one of the first 2 runs of Charlie C's Barlows ? It not, what explains the nearly $500 selling price ?
There were many bidders, not just 2 guys bidding each other up.
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Re: Understanding Pattern #15

Postby JohnR » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:36 pm

KJ, of the 15's the TC Barlows are the most sought after and can go for quite a sum, single clips usually bring high money although I prefer 2 blade TC's. Most of the other 15's will trade in the 80 to 100 range although certain Beer Scouts command more. There have also been a few small runs of knives such as a stainless single clip Elk that command good money.
I really like the 15 pattern for the wide variety of knives that have been made on that pattern. GEC really needs to do another large run of all the blade, handle options.
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Re: Understanding Pattern #15

Postby kootenay joe » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:04 pm

John, you have Beautiful knives !
And Thanks for explaining the 15's. I think i now understand (somewhat): The #15 pattern has been made in so many variations that there are dedicated pattern 15 collectors. Only by being 'dedicated' can you know of every run of pattern 15 and which ones are harder to find. It is these dedicated 15 collectors who bid against each other and account for the very high prices for the rarer ones. It is not someone like myself who does not know an average 15 from a rare 15 who is bidding high, just the 'specialists'.
Is there a name for the blade that looks like a slender Sheepsfoot ? ( pic of 3 one of which has a 'scratted-like' handle)
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Re: Understanding Pattern #15

Postby JohnR » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:40 pm

Thanks KJ, as far as I know there is not a name for that blade, its like a thin sheepsfoot as you stated. When Charlie had that run of Ancient Barlow's run they recreated that blade from an original English Barlow Charlie has in his collection, I would guess the original dates from the late 1700's to early 1800's.

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Re: Understanding Pattern #15

Postby robbobus » Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:46 pm

Alot of very nice15s there John. Lucky snag on that bottom barlow from the last run.

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Re: Understanding Pattern #15

Postby knowtracks » Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:48 pm

Good lookin Knives and photos JohnR !!! ::tu:: Thank You for posting them!! ::nod::

I see you got one of the Scarce "Stormy Sky" Sheepsfoot TC's!! 8) 8) Only 5 or 7 of those made, can't remember which!! ::shrug::


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Re: Understanding Pattern #15

Postby JohnR » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:07 pm

Thanks guys, Dave, I think Charlie told me there were 10 made at the end of the run when they had leftover parts, that stormy bone is pretty nice stuff.


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