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info on this Cattaraugus whittler?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:37 am
by joefm
hey guys,

any info and possible value on this knife would be greatly appreciated. along with the pics im gonna post, i can add that the knife has excellent snap no wobble. there are spots on the blades, but they are full maybe unused. i cant find another one to compare it too! it sure is one of my favorites! thanks for your help fellas!!
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Re: info on this Cattaraugus whittler?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:05 am
by 1967redrider
From Price & Zalesky's 15th Edition-

Re: info on this Cattaraugus whittler?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:55 am
by Gunsil
Red, I do not see anything like the OP knife on that page???? OP knife is a serpentine whittler in slick black.

Re: info on this Cattaraugus whittler?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:56 pm
by 1967redrider
Gunsil wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:55 am Red, I do not see anything like the OP knife on that page???? OP knife is a serpentine whittler in slick black.
The knife listed just above my fingers is a 32126, which is the number stamped on the master blade in the picture above. The description says "Wharncliffe," could it be a typo or is this a cobbled knife? ::shrug::

*edit- Option #3 is it re-profiled?

Re: info on this Cattaraugus whittler?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:27 pm
by danno50
The 5th edition Standard Knife Collector's Guide, by Ritchie and Stewart, lists the 32126 as a small whittler, with no other information. The Cattaraugus catalogue reprint by Ritchie and Stewart does not have the 32126 listed?
I do not think the OP knife has been reprofiled. It would be difficult to turn a wharncliff blade into a clip blade.

Re: info on this Cattaraugus whittler?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:57 pm
by edge213
I believe wharncliffe was originally used for the shape of a frame. Which was a serpentine shape.
Not originally used for a blade shape.

Re: info on this Cattaraugus whittler?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:53 pm
by danno50
edge213 wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:57 pm I believe wharncliffe was originally used for the shape of a frame. Which was a serpentine shape.
Not originally used for a blade shape.
Very true, David, you are right on that and your point is well taken, I meant no offence. However, all of the pictures of what Cattaraugus calls wharncliffe whittlers, in the books I have anyway, show a knife with both a wharncliffe frame and a wharncliffe blade.

Re: info on this Cattaraugus whittler?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:07 pm
by Gunsil
The original wharncliff design used the wharncliff blade pattern in a serpentine frame. No wharncliff main blade, not a wharncliff.

Re: info on this Cattaraugus whittler?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:13 pm
by Eye Brand Man
I think in this instance Wharncliffe refers to the pattern and not the master blades shape. I have seen whittlers like this referred to as Wharncliffe whittlers.

Re: info on this Cattaraugus whittler?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:23 pm
by Mumbleypeg
I also have thought of wharncliffe as being a blade shape. However after seeing this discussion I looked to see what Levine's Guide says about it. So FWIW:
WHARNCLIFFE. A folding knife handle and blade shape named for its designer, James Archibald Stuart-Wortley-Mackenzie, 1st Baron Wharncliffe, a patron of Joseph Rodgers & Sons of Sheffield.
So based on that my interpretation is it could be either the knife's shape, a blade shape, or both.

Ken

Re: info on this Cattaraugus whittler?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:53 pm
by Jacknifeben
My Cattaraugus 32126 has a different blade configuration.

Re: info on this Cattaraugus whittler?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:18 pm
by 1967redrider
Learned something new today- Cattaraugus has a Wharncliffe knife pattern, not necessarily the blade. ::nod::

Re: info on this Cattaraugus whittler?

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:57 pm
by joefm
jackknifeben,

when you say yours has a different blade configuration, could you explain? sorry i just dont know much about these knives and i love mine and would like to know as much as i can. i dont think mine has been reprofiled or anything like the sort. but im no expert so ill post a few more pics and let me know if i can do anything else to help find out exactly what i have here?
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Re: info on this Cattaraugus whittler?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:47 am
by joefm
anybody else know approximately the value of this whittler, or anyother info?

Re: info on this Cattaraugus whittler?

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:51 pm
by Jacknifeben
Here are a couple of pictures looking down on the tip of the knife laying between the other blades. If the tip does not extend past the butt end of those blades you blade has probably been reshaped after the tip was broke off. Just saying?

Re: info on this Cattaraugus whittler?

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:26 pm
by Dave T
Just to clarify the origin and meaning of Wharncliffe Knife: The quote below is verbatim from a newspaper report in 1864 of a magistrate court case in Sheffield.
"It was quite a different case from that of the “Wharncliffe knife”. The words “Wharncliffe knife” merely meant a knife of a particular form in which nobody had any exclusive right, and which anybody could manufacture…. Mr A Smith: A knife of which Lord Wharncliffe was not the original manufacturer, but the original “complimentee” (Laughter). The Wharncliffe knife was first manufactured by Messrs. Rogers, who sent their first parcel to Lord Wharncliffe, requesting the use of his name, which he granted. The only distinction of the Wharncliffe knife was its shape, and it was unquestionably an article of general manufacture…"

Re: info on this Cattaraugus whittler?

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:19 pm
by Waukonda
::tu:: Good info!