Cattle knife
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My understanding is that a Cattle knife and a Stock knife need to have a spey blade.
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I agree with you, except that I would call your knives "STUNNING." Thanks for showing them; The middle one with the clip blade is just off the charts and the others would be also, if I could just go out to the mailbox and get a good luck at them.RalphAlsip wrote:The 2 blade variations are the ones where I don't know if I'm referring to them correctly. For example, I would identify the 2 blade variations pictured below with a blade on each end as cattle knives. I would identify the 2 blade variation pictured below with both blades on the same end as a Jack knife. The one I'm calling a Jack knife is also known as a Cigar knife.
My sense is that "all of the above" are correct .
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I disagree.FRJ wrote:My understanding is that a Cattle knife and a Stock knife need to have a spey blade.
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Now you guys are confusing me.RalphAlsip wrote:The 2 blade variations are the ones where I don't know if I'm referring to them correctly. For example, I would identify the 2 blade variations pictured below with a blade on each end as cattle knives. I would identify the 2 blade variation pictured below with both blades on the same end as a Jack knife. The one I'm calling a Jack knife is also known as a Cigar knife.
My sense is that "all of the above" are correct .
The first pic of the 2 bladed knife with one blade blade on other end is...
1. If less than 3.5 inches, it is a pen knife.
2. At 3.5 inches or more it is a double ended Jack.
Whether or not it is a double ended Jack Cattle knife I don't know. But it is in fact or maybe opinion a double ended jack. What I have read and been taught.
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Re: Cattle knife
The basis for acknowledging a Cattle knife must rely on more than the frame style.tongueriver wrote:I disagree.FRJ wrote:My understanding is that a Cattle knife and a Stock knife need to have a spey blade.
What blades must they hold to be thought of as Cattle knives?
Would you call this knife a Cattle knife? It is 3 3/8"
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I'm not trying to argue - just trying to explain why I'm confused. Two of the knives I posted earlier are Case 45 patters (06245 and 06245 1/2). I have seen several publications refer to the Case 45 pattern as a "Cattle" knife regardless of the blade configuration.
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Your statement goes back to my original question. I bought this Marbles "Cattle Knife" that looks like a equal end jack to me. I guess if you're a knife maker you can call them whatever you want.RalphAlsip wrote:I'm not trying to argue - just trying to explain why I'm confused. Two of the knives I posted earlier are Case 45 patters (06245 and 06245 1/2). I have seen several publications refer to the Case 45 pattern as a "Cattle" knife regardless of the blade configuration.
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Re: Cattle knife
And therein lies the source of much of the confusion. FWIW, here's what Levine's Guide to Knives has to say about cattle knives. The text is followed by three pages of pictures of cattle knives by numerous makers - three blade, four blade, junior size, fancy, and three spring examples are pictured. Aside from the rounded equal-end shape the predominant feature is the existence of a spey blade on about 90% of them. None have fewer than three blades.ken98k wrote:Your statement goes back to my original question. I bought this Marbles "Cattle Knife" that looks like a equal end jack to me. I guess if you're a knife maker you can call them whatever you want.RalphAlsip wrote:I'm not trying to argue - just trying to explain why I'm confused. Two of the knives I posted earlier are Case 45 patters (06245 and 06245 1/2). I have seen several publications refer to the Case 45 pattern as a "Cattle" knife regardless of the blade configuration.
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Re: Cattle knife
Thanks Ken. Very informative.Mumbleypeg wrote:And therein lies the source of much of the confusion. FWIW, here's what Levine's Guide to Knives has to say about cattle knives. The text is followed by three pages of pictures of cattle knives by numerous makers - three blade, four blade, junior size, fancy, and three spring examples are pictured. Aside from the rounded equal-end shape the predominant feature is the existence of a spey blade on about 90% of them. None have fewer than three blades.ken98k wrote:Your statement goes back to my original question. I bought this Marbles "Cattle Knife" that looks like a equal end jack to me. I guess if you're a knife maker you can call them whatever you want.RalphAlsip wrote:I'm not trying to argue - just trying to explain why I'm confused. Two of the knives I posted earlier are Case 45 patters (06245 and 06245 1/2). I have seen several publications refer to the Case 45 pattern as a "Cattle" knife regardless of the blade configuration.
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Texas Jerry, no offense intended my friend. Just was getting confusing more than informational. My apologies for my delivery.
A double ended jack can be built on different frames, but what distinguishes it from a pen knife(which commonly have a blade hinging from both ends of course) is the length, over 3 1/2 inches.
As the two Kens stated, a knife company calls knives all sorts of things and adds to the confusion.
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Just had an aha moment and remembered I have one I know for sure is a cattle knife. It says so on the handle. On that note, I think I'll just quietly back out and leave this thread to those who know what they're talking about and like 'em.
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And I thought, of the 3 blades, one had to be an awl....
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Joe, I'd call that a gorgeous example of a Junior Cattle Knife. OHFRJ wrote:The basis for acknowledging a Cattle knife must rely on more than the frame style.tongueriver wrote:I disagree.FRJ wrote:My understanding is that a Cattle knife and a Stock knife need to have a spey blade.
What blades must they hold to be thought of as Cattle knives?
Would you call this knife a Cattle knife? It is 3 3/8"
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Ken thanks for showing that excerpt from levine's.
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In my mind, a stockman is usually a 3 bladed with a serpentine frame. There are exceptions, think Case 6275 and 6475, same frame different blades. The cattleman then is an equal end (cigar) with clip or spear with the usual spay, sheep foot with possibly a punch.
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Actually Scott, you are confusing that with the Texas expression "y'awl" (singular) and "all y'awl" (plural). This has nothing to do specifically with "LOL," but there does seem to be a link. ( ).TripleF wrote:And I thought, of the 3 blades, one had to be an awl....
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And in oklahoma we say that too, but spell it y'all. I don't know what's wrong with them texans, spelling y'all like y'awl and adding to this cattle knife confusiontongueriver wrote:Actually Scott, you are confusing that with the Texas expression "y'awl" (singular) and "all y'awl" (plural). This has nothing to do specifically with "LOL," but there does seem to be a link. ( ).
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