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That sounds like a great idea Dale.
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orvet wrote: In my repair and customizing work I often use Culpepper’s RJ B jigged bone, (RJ B = Rogers Jigged Bone), but I do not consider that to be real Rogers bone.
Or does that stand for "Random Jigged Bone"? ::uc::
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Ok, I found the thread I started six years ago on the subject.

Read this from start to finish:

http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kni ... 35&t=27389

I find it ironic that the person posing the query on the other forum is now a member here, hey Roland you still have that "fake " Primble knife? :lol:

Dale I don't think BRL even knows what genuine Rogers bone looks like, judging from his assessment of the Primble knife. For the record the handle slabs I show in this thread are genuine Rogers bone NOS never used the real deal. ::tu::
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jerryd6818 wrote:
orvet wrote: In my repair and customizing work I often use Culpepper’s RJ B jigged bone, (RJ B = Rogers Jigged Bone), but I do not consider that to be real Rogers bone.
Or does that stand for "Random Jigged Bone"? ::uc::
I guess that could be, I was going by Culpepper's description which does not mention "random" in their description but it does mention "Rogers bone."

"RJB pattern is a hand operation pattern that has alternating depths of jigging. It is inspired by the old patterns commonly referred to as "Rogers" bone. It is very popular in the cutlery industry especially in Amber color."
This is Culpepper's picture of Amber RJ B.
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orvet wrote: Maybe we could put together a collage of pictures of what we can all agree is Rogers bone?
Now that should be interesting! ::sotb:: :lol:

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I took the liberty of copying Dimitri's pictures from the old thread to this new one.
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Very interesting thread, guys. One thing I haven't seen mentioned and which I would enjoy knowing more about is "old Rogers Bone" vs "new Rogers Bone".
Seems like the deep dark recesses of my mind contains something like a fire that destroyed their plant and maybe that led to the "new Rogers Bone"? Anyone have a photo that might demonstrate the new vs old Rogers Bone?

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Here are four UTICA Jacks. Are they Rogers bone or did UTICA jig their own bone? I have a lot of bone handled knives and most all look the same to me.
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TJ,
Those are all gorgeous! ::drool::

But.... I see some waves running lengthwise of the handles on the first knife. I don't think that is Rogers Bone. Rogers should not have a pattern.
The second one is closer, but I am not sure about it. there seems to be a crescent pattern (along the bottom half) that I have not seen in Rogers Bone before.
If you have trouble seeing them I will try to show it with Photoshop when my PC scanner stops running.

The last two knives I would call Rogers Bone.

I have some pics to post, after the scanner does its thing, that shows the new Culpepper RJB and several WW II 4 line tang stamp Camillus knives.
I am reasonable most folks would agree the bone Camillus used at the beginning of WW II was Rogers Bone.
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Thanks Dale. When you say a "crescent" pattern do you mean like a "wave" pattern running along the bottom edge?
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tjmurphy wrote:Thanks Dale. When you say a "crescent" pattern do you mean like a "wave" pattern running along the bottom edge?
Yes, exactly. Do you see what I mean?
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Yes sir, I do.
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Aww, T.J. You don't have to call him "Sir". He was enlisted.
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Okay here are some pictures to consider:
This is the front and rear sides of two different colors of Culpepper RJ B bone.
On the left side of the picture is Goldenroot colored bone and on the right side is root beer colored bone.
Notice they look black.
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Culpeper bone – backside.jpg
These two pictures are from Culpepper’s showing approximately what finished bone in those colors should look like. They currently do not have RJB available in Goldenroot color so I substituted a picture of RV jigging in the Goldenroot color. You can even see some of the dye has dried and is falling off of the scales onto the white rag. I assure you that rag was clean when I laid those slabs of bone on it.
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These next two pictures are Camillus knives with the four-line tang stamp and steel bolsters. This would mean they were made in that window of time when Camillus run out of brass during World War II circa 1942 (the exact date is open for discussion) and when the brass supply started to flow again, probably not until the end of the war circa 1946.
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Last picture numbered from top to bottom:
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1 – sleeve board jack short line 3 line tang stamp.
2 – engineers knife three line tang stamp with no underlying. This probably gives you the close to this idea of what the Rogers bone looks like before it is worn down by pocket where. The handles were broken apparently and not carried so aside from the breakage there appears to be very little where on this knife.
3 – Camillus easy open jack four-line tang stamp with brass liners. Probably early WW II.
4 – U.S. Army engineers knife, four-line tang stamp with brass liners. Probably early WW II.
5 – Camillus 3 blade cattle knife, four-line tang stamp on all three blades. Pre-World War II probably early 1930s possibly even 1920s. (I know some people would debate that dating, but that is my opinion at this point in time).
6 – Camillus easy open jack, three line tang stamp CAMILLUS/CUTLERY CO/CAMILLUS, N.Y. (with serif letters) With the word “cutlery” this three line tang stamp predates the four-line tang stamp. This same tang stamp was used on the 1932 George Washington will knife reproduction for the 1932 World’s Fair. My hypotheses is the four-line tang stamp was introduced about this time. They may have introduced it well before the 1932 world’s fair and used an older tang stamp on the George Washington knife. I know of at least two instances in more current Camillus history where they have used the old tang stamps on newer reproduction commemorative knives. One instance was the reproduction of the Marine Raiders fighting knife and the other was the reproduction of the 1942 Coast Guard approved lifeboat knife. It is possible that Camillus used the earlier three line tang stamp on the George Washington Commemorative even though they had already switched to the four-line tang stamp. This is hypothetical at this point, but I believe that is where my research is pointing.
7 – Vertical knife on the right – High Carbon Steel stockman pattern.


Now, here are examples of knives all made by Camillus all with similar bone, covering at least date 20 year span of time circa 1930 to circa 1950.

Look at these knives, compare them and see what you think. With the possible exception of the last two knives, which do show much heavier wear to them, I think all the rest of the knives in all three pictures are Rogers bone. I am unaware of Camillus using any other supplier of bone at that particular time. Rogers Bone Co was pretty much the dominant force in the knife bone handle industry here in the United States for much longer than just that 20 year period.

To quote from Bernard Levine’s article:
“Early in the century, one of this firm's competitors in the bone
business was Rogers & Hubbard. About the time of the First World War,
Rogers Mfg. Co. traded its bone fertilizer operation to Rogers &
Hubbard, and received in return the other firm's manufactured bone
products business. From that time forward, Rogers Mfg. Co. was the
nation's largest maker of manufactured bone products.”


Please look at the pictures, compare them let us know what you think. I’m not saying that I am absolutely correct on everything here; I’m a student in this like everyone else.
I welcome your feedback. ::nod::
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All beautiful bone, Dale. I won't even venture a guess as to Rogers or not. Those could be photos of my knives. I posted these before but I think they are applicable here as well. You'll have to ignore those that are not bone.
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tjmurphy wrote: You'll have to ignore those that are not bone.
Oh, do you mean like that Black Pearl handled 72 hiding down there in the corner? ::woot::
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That would be one of them alright! And the smooth red bone 72, also!
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jerryd6818 wrote:
tjmurphy wrote: You'll have to ignore those that are not bone.
Oh, do you mean like that Black Pearl handled 72 hiding down there in the corner? ::woot::
Now hold on just a dadgum minute. Black pearl 72? That' gonna require some splainin Jerryd. Smooth red bone 72, Tj you're gonna have me up all night.
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They're both pretty common on ebay :lol: :lol: :lol:
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tjmurphy wrote:They're both pretty common on ebay :lol: :lol: :lol:
Why do I feel the sarcasm dripping on my forehead after that quote :mrgreen:
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gsmith7158 wrote:
tjmurphy wrote:They're both pretty common on ebay :lol: :lol: :lol:
Why do I feel the sarcasm dripping on my forehead after that quote :mrgreen:
That wunt sarcasm ole son. Din't you feel the poke in the ribs?
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jerryd6818 wrote:
gsmith7158 wrote:
tjmurphy wrote:They're both pretty common on ebay :lol: :lol: :lol:
Why do I feel the sarcasm dripping on my forehead after that quote :mrgreen:
That wunt sarcasm ole son. Din't you feel the poke in the ribs?
Jerryd I've got callouses on my midsection. Every time I turn around there is anew must have 72. ::woot::
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So, wadayathink?
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Yeah,yeah,yeah ::drool:: ::drool:: ::drool:: tell me about em Tj
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Re: Rogers Bone

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OK, here it is: The black pearl was rehandled and gifted to me by Glennbadd and the smooth red bone was rehandled by Orvet. But that doesn't mean that you should stop you search, may be another one of each out there somewhere. Who knows!!
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