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Re: Tang Stamps

Post by orvet » Thu Jan 02, 2014 3:55 pm

It has been suggested that I make this a sticky. I think it is a good idea. ::tu::
I also moved it to the Q & A forum as it seems to belong here more than in the General Forum.
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Re: Tang Stamps

Post by junebug » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:46 pm

WOOOOOOOT ::tu:: 8)
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Re: Goins' and Tang Stamps

Post by bernynhel » Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:14 pm

While Goins' is a handy reference, regarding Hammer Brand, they only mention that Imperial purchased the brand for use with their shell-type handled knives which, to me, suggests that all Imperial/Hammer Brand knives will have shell-type handled knives and that any Hammer Brand knife with solid handles/bolsters is a NYKCo made knife (Goin's Encyclopedia of Cutlery Markings ©1998, p.118., "Hammer Brand c. 1936 - present A trademark used by Imperial. Knives with this mark are of the shell-handle type."). Nothing under Goins' Imperial or New York Knife Co listings says anything different. No distinctions between the various Hammer Brand tang stamps to distinguish Imperial from NYKCo or anything else of much use so this thread is a good idea although I also think that tang stamp charts would be useful as sticky posts at the top of each specific knife company section of this forum. BTW, Price/Zalesky has the same info regarding Hammer Brand as Goins'. I might also add that, IMHO, Goins' use of the sentence "This company manufactured "Bowie" type knives, among other kinds of cutlery." may not, in reality, apply to as many knife companies as Goins' suggests by tacking that sentence on to the end of various knife company listings. Has anyone seen a Holtzapffel Bowie? Thanks for all the great tang stamp posts. - Bill

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Re: Tang Stamps

Post by mickeyevans » Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:20 pm

this is a great thread, thanks Jerry for all your work collecting and sharing reference material all the time
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Re: Tang Stamps

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never mind, I found the button to bookmark it and I did, now I need to find my bookmarks
oh yeah, user control panel, then manage book marks, I needed to know this
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Re: Tang Stamps

Post by junebug » Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:54 pm

WE WANT TANG STAMP CHART INFO................ CHAT ROOM IS OVER THERE >>>>>>>
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Re: Tang Stamps

Post by junebug » Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:58 pm

some ULSTER charts/info.............. ::tu::


the charts with tang pics and not just writing are way better IMO...but these DO HELP. ::nod::
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Re: Goins' and Tang Stamps

Post by orvet » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:48 am

bernynhel wrote: I might also add that, IMHO, Goins' use of the sentence "This company manufactured "Bowie" type knives, among other kinds of cutlery." may not, in reality, apply to as many knife companies as Goins' suggests by tacking that sentence on to the end of various knife company listings. Has anyone seen a Holtzapffel Bowie? Thanks for all the great tang stamp posts. - Bill
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Great point! ::tu::
I have pondered on that very term and his use of it.
I think Goins is using the term "Bowie type knives" to mean fixed blade knives.
That is about the only way it really makes sense. Or else he had a different meaning for that phrase that he never bothered to share with his readers.

John Goins was very good at cataloging information about knives and knife companies, however the study of knife companies is very broad field of study with hundreds of companies (in the USA alone), tens of thousands products and millions of details to go along with them. It would be impossible for one person to know everything about each company and each product they produced in the USA in the last century, let alone in other countries and before 1900. There is just too much information for one person to know it all. I don’t know of any knife expert who even claims to know most of it.

I do believe John Goins’ “Encyclopedia of Cutlery Markings” is a great reference work and I use it nearly every day, often multiple times per day. But I also keep in mind that the scope of cutlery history has changed since that book was published 16 years ago. Apart from new companies, there has been more discovered & more history written about the old companies.
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Re: Tang Stamps

Post by Old Hunter » Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:16 pm

Hey Bug - thanks for the Ulster info - it seems to be rare! OH
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Re: Goins' and Tang Stamps

Post by bernynhel » Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:34 pm

orvet wrote:
bernynhel wrote: I might also add that, IMHO, Goins' use of the sentence "This company manufactured "Bowie" type knives, among other kinds of cutlery." may not, in reality, apply to as many knife companies as Goins' suggests by tacking that sentence on to the end of various knife company listings. Has anyone seen a Holtzapffel Bowie? Thanks for all the great tang stamp posts. - Bill
Bill,
Great point! ::tu::
I have pondered on that very term and his use of it.
I think Goins is using the term "Bowie type knives" to mean fixed blade knives.
That is about the only way it really makes sense. Or else he had a different meaning for that phrase that he never bothered to share with his readers....
I hadnt thought of that - I thought that maybe they used it kind of arbitrarily on listings to break up the listings that only list the marking and the dates of use to add pages to the edition since I found several listings that cite dates of use prior to 1834 with that tag so couldnt possibly have been making "Bowie" type knives. Though by 1850 Sheffield makers were cranking out Bowie knives hot and heavy. I use Goins' multiple times daily also and use the info in my knife listings and have been accused of misrepresenting knives I sell on eBay on occasion as a result.

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Re: Tang Stamps

Post by junebug » Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:17 pm

Old Hunter wrote:Hey Bug - thanks for the Ulster info - it seems to be rare! OH
NO PROBLEM ::tu:: HOPE THIS THREAD "HELPS" PEOPLE.....................


and HOPE more decide to post more CHARTS/INFO CHARTS here soon................... ::nod:: 8)

as many have stated...NO BOOK is the ALL MIGHTY CORRECT IN ALL FACTS book.......
this will help people VISUALLY SEE several charts, to compare info with........,without owning every book out there.......... ::paranoid:: :mrgreen:


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Re: Tang Stamps

Post by RobesonsRme.com » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:01 am

So, when this thread reaches dozens of pages, filled with a hodge-podge of tang stamp photos, charts, illustrations, etc., in no particular order, is someone going to arrange them into some better, more accessible and more easily navigated form?

And are we violating any copyright laws by doing this?

Just wondering.

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Post by RobesonsRme.com » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:05 am

I think Goins' 1st edition had a Bowie reference section. I may be wrong, but I seem to recall that.

In his later editions, he moved those makers into the general listing and added that phrase to the listings for those companies.

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Re: Tang Stamps

Post by Old Hunter » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:22 am

Three modern Ulster tang stamps (50's, 60's, 70's).
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Re: Tang Stamps

Post by peanut740 » Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:25 am

We knife collectors owe great amount of thanks to the late John Goins and his wife Charlotte.The amount of work that went into their guides had to be staggering.The last one was published in 1998 and there wasn't any Google or any other search engines to aid them.They must to have loved what they were doing.I consider Gions' Encyclopedia of Cutlery Markings to be the bible of antique knife collectors.
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