Homage to Traditional Pen Knives
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Here was an unexpected score from a hunt and found in a “junk” box where the knife was buried on the bottom - an Empire sterling silver lobster knife at 2 1/8” closed. Funny thing is I didn’t have my reading glasses but was able to see Winsted on the tang stamp when I found it. Given that and knowing all companies that were located there are worthwhile scores for me I snagged it for a bargain basement price . When I got home using my reading glasses I swathe tang stamp of Empire Winsted CT and on the bottom of the pile side handle some apparent makers marks above sterling though they are very worn (see photo). Based on the wear I am guessing this knife saw a good amount of pocket time!! Just impossible to know the maker of the sterling silver handle though the 1st mark is almost readable. Keep in mind these sterling handles were often made by jewelers. The blades all snap well and are tight despite some staining on the blades. To me this was a cool find and indeed the smallest Empire in my coillection – in fact close to the smallest knife in all my collection sans my mini MOP clip blade at 1” with no makers mark (another bargain basement find at an antique fair)…. This Empire made my day when found …
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Great find Lee and a bargain basement price is always a reason to smile!
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Nice find LongBlade, I would say there is a very strong chance that the sterling covers on that knife came from B.A. Ballou silversmiths in nearby East Providence, RI (To Winsted CT). I have an Empire watch fob skeleton knife with a bail on it with Ballou's hallmark so I know they had a synergy of sorts. Ballou has been around since post Civil War, which would fit the time frame.
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Thanks Greg and PD I just love the hunt
Interesting PD - I live half way in-between Winsted and Providence ... I have never come across any reference to the silversmiths who did the Empire work. Here is another below but a sterling Empire (ring turn pen) with the marks clear. Best I can see all the way to the left is a Flag with F&B inside - these look familiar to you??
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Interesting PD - I live half way in-between Winsted and Providence ... I have never come across any reference to the silversmiths who did the Empire work. Here is another below but a sterling Empire (ring turn pen) with the marks clear. Best I can see all the way to the left is a Flag with F&B inside - these look familiar to you??
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Lovely pair of pen knives, Lee, I especially like the lobster!
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Thanks very much Dan ...
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Some absolutely stunning knives are showing up here guys! This is a favorite thread of mine that I have posted in and visit often but somehow it seems that I forgot to post all these pens from my seventies Stag sets. I keep them squirreled away in their cases in a chest of their own so sometimes I forget all about them till cleaning day comes around. That's today so here they are.
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Greg - all great looking knives ... Thanks for sharing those beauties....
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Greg. Great stag on all of them
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Thanks guys ! Those sets have some great knives in them and some some spectacular stag as well. Keith, thanks to you for the 1976 set.
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Nice knives Lee and Greg
Here's one of my favorites
Here's one of my favorites
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Thanks Dimitri
Great looking old Wostenholm congress Dimitri ... Thanks for sharing it!!
Great looking old Wostenholm congress Dimitri ... Thanks for sharing it!!
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Great looking knife Dimitri, really like those handles, thanks for sharing.
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Re: Homage to Traditional Pen Knives
This thread has yet to have a quill knife posted which would fall under pen knives - I thought I would share this group shot I took the other day of 3 old Sheffield quills of mine -
From top to bottom:
John Hinchcliffe (ca 1830-1851)
G-Crown-R (prior to 1830) - Stamp under Royal Warrant Marks was unknown until KJ recently suggested it may say "Patent"... also the Royal Warrant Marks appear to be from a hand carved die stamp indicating a very early knife... It may be a Joseph Rodgers made quill as suggested to me a few years ago but not sure.. Tortoise with sterling silver band at mid-cover; Also appears to be a gold plated bolster as seen on knives in Smiths Key of Sheffield knives from 1816; Stove-pipe kick
V-Crown-R (1837-1901) - Carved Ivory with coping blade
From top to bottom:
John Hinchcliffe (ca 1830-1851)
G-Crown-R (prior to 1830) - Stamp under Royal Warrant Marks was unknown until KJ recently suggested it may say "Patent"... also the Royal Warrant Marks appear to be from a hand carved die stamp indicating a very early knife... It may be a Joseph Rodgers made quill as suggested to me a few years ago but not sure.. Tortoise with sterling silver band at mid-cover; Also appears to be a gold plated bolster as seen on knives in Smiths Key of Sheffield knives from 1816; Stove-pipe kick
V-Crown-R (1837-1901) - Carved Ivory with coping blade
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Three very nice old quill knives, Lee! I especially like the tortoise shell handled one.
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Thanks very much Dan ... I think that knife is the oldest in my collection (prior to 1830 and under the reign of King George the II, III or IV) and definitely one of my favorites as well - I am guessing early 1800s (no doubt prior to 1830) and the stamp seems to indicate that it was hand cut which I recently was told was done up until 1820... Given it is in the ballpark of 200 years old and the blade still has good opening and closing snap speaks to quality (or luck that nobody ever badly abused it )... Amazingly it was local find almost 2-3 years ago... If "knives could only talk" this one would have no doubt have some great stories ... Here's some better recent photos of just that knife -
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Thanks for the additional information, Lee. I thought that tang stamps were hand cut much later than 1820? I remember reading something about hand cut tang stamps in Gerald Witcher's book, but can't find the reference right now.
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My pleasure Dan ... in terms of handcut stamps Gunsil mentioned it in another post it was pre-1820 but a in a search on Royal Warrant Marks I did see hand cut stamps were pre-1830 so the same ballpark but have not as of yet in a cursory search seen other info about hand cut stamps (here's the link to Royal Warrant Marks: http://atkinson-swords.com/marks-and-st ... -markings/ - in contrast the VcrownR quill stamp is indeed recognizable as not handcut being very uniform in appearance.
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Lee, when you say hand cut stamp, are you referring to the tang markings on each individual blade tang being hand cut, or incised, into the tang itself? Or are you meaning that the stamping tool with which the tang was marked was hand cut? On pages 56 and 57 of Gerald Witcher's book he has a fairly long quote from an article, by Herb Aycock, from the August 1996 issue of NKCA Magazine, which states that up until the mid 1930's all steel marking tools were hand cut.
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Interesting Dan - I was talking about the hand cut being done to the stamping tool or die used as that is how it was explained to me. In addition I was only going by Gunsil's comment on the "European and other Foreign Mfg Knives" subforum that this was pre-1820 (here's the thread - viewtopic.php?f=30&t=55319 ) - nonetheless I am not sure now of the answer but I do think it is a very early knife and looking at the stamp it is indeed not as uniform as later knives that were not supposedly stamped with a handcut die - just my opinion and those who have seen the knife up close and personal ...
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