Winchester Knife Co

[cato]

There is not a thread on this FORUM with much info on Winchester knives, And because i was wanting as much input on this one as i can get,
Searching i can not find another posted, to look at, and compare. From what i have read and seen, i believe this is a early one,not sure if this was made by NAPANOCH
for WINCHESTER OR IF THIS IS AFTER, WINCHESTER BOUGHT THEM, ALL INFO IS WELCOME ON THE KNIFE THANKS IN ADVANCE

[tjmurphy]

From what I can gather from reading the brief history in Price and Zalesky, Winchester did not make knives until they aquired Napanoch. Here is the page from the book:

Wish I could be more help

[toolboy]

Cato that is very outstanding scout pattern
Close to Winchester pattern # 4901
The hand peened pins would make it very early for a Winchester
Are any other blades marked?
The implement on the end with the punch, is it just a screwdriver?
The decorative stamping on the bail ends really ad to the good looks.
Thanks so much for sharing the pictures

[cato]

T.J. AND TOOLBOY

THANKS FOR THE INFO
NO OTHER MARKS AS TO WINCHESTER STAMP
PUNCH HAS A DEEP P FAINT A AND POSSIBLE T THEN A # 4 UNDER THE P
AS FOR THE NOTCHES IN THE SCREWDRIVER NOT SURE UNLESS FOR WIRE STRIPPER
EXTRA HEAVY STUD ON CAN OPENER
AND THE BAIL IS VERY HEAVY BUILT

[toolboy]

Cato
Sargent's third edition pictures it as pattern # 4950
the bail in the picture show does not seem to have the neat "pinched pattern" ends
Can not see the notch in the screwdriver
Very intriguing

[jerryd6818]

Is the punch stamped with a patent date? Can we see a picture of the punch?

[cato]

OK Here they are not sure if it was pat. date or pattern #
Toolboy i was just talking about the cut outs in screw driver as a notch )(

[jerryd6818]

Same punch pattern as my #3009 Cattleman and yours looks like it may have a patent number on it. My Cattleman only has the patent date on it. If I'm not mistaken, it is my understanding the patents last for 20 years. If someone knows something different for a fact, please correct me.

[cato]

Was wanting to know if anyone has a early Winchester scout, to post ..

or to find the rarity of these early ones, since i have not been able to locate one to see
the ones i have seen have the federal shield, different style bone and can opener

[peanut740]

Cato, I have some Winchester scout knives, but different from yours.Here's a 4950.The screwdriver and shield are different from yours.It has the same punch with patent date of 4-7-08.I assume that is a Napanoch patent.Shield says Winchester over scout.

[peanut740]

Winchester pattern 4951 scout with a marlin spike.

[peanut740]

Winchester junior scout.Pattern# is worn off or wasn't there.Also a Wards junior scout, different can opener from the Winchester, but the same punch.

[peanut740]

I also have an old advertising card.The can opener is like yours, but the screwdriver is different.It looks alot like a
Robeson screwdriver blade.
The screwdriver in yours looks a lot like one in a New York Knife Buffalo Bill that I have.

[cato]

Peanut,
Thanks for all the pics, love that marlin spike

the screw driver does look just like the new york style ones

wonder if that was the same style as Napanoch scouts ,,

now that would be a nice on to have, a old Napanoch scout

[Jacknifeben]

That knife is either a Napanoch or Winchester with that punch blade. Napanoch had the patent on the double fluted punch blade and sold out to Winchester in early 1920.

[Jacknifeben]

Napanoch had the patent on the double fluted punch blade and sold out to Winchester in early 1920's, Real nice rare knife.

[wlf]

Nice one Cates , congratulations that's a beauty.

[cato]

Was sent this info, on this knife by another member here,

thank yo so much very interesting..

[cato]

This one got in today...

3- 5/8ths Balloon Swell Center Cattle Pattern

Model 3010 Abalone Blue

[junebug]

wow...............
great snag,CATES

[cato]

newest Winchester
Barlow
one arm razor

[BWT]

I've had these two for a while, haven't seen a lot of Winchesters on AAPK. Here is my two.

[LongBlade]

Nice knives Bill ... Your smaller knife looks almost like the pattern noted on page 1 of this thread which is a good summary of the history noting the role of Eagle, Napanoch and the merger with Simmons 3 years after they started making knives in 1919 (interestingly what is not noted is that disgruntled Napanoch employees left Winchester in 1921 and returned to Napanoch to start and started Honk Falls Knife Co)... Winchester ended around 1942. The other looks to be a lock back hunter unless I am mistaken? Most of their early knives had model #s stamped on the pile sides of the master but not seeing that on either of yours....

Original Winchester knives are not that common - they didn't produce close to the number of knives compared to Remington, for example, so that may be one reason.. Two other notes - one also has to be careful of Winchester counterfeits and many repros were made later on by companies such as Queen if I am not mistaken - later on in the 1980s(?) by Blue Grass Cutlery in Germany...

I have 2 Winchesters to share which I posted awhile back somewhere on AAPK but never knew this thread existed which is a good place for both (click on photos to enlarge)...

Winchester Jack (Model #2911 on pile side - most likely an earlier top of the line knife as both master and pen blades were marked according to Houston/Zalesky info) -

Winchester Jr Stock Whittler - Rare pattern with faux horn celluloid handles - Model #3046 on pile side (don't have photo of pile side stamp - Full Winchester etch - At bottom I am attaching a catalog cut of this knife thanks to another AAPK member who kindly provided it on another thread somewhere on AAPK ..

[Mumbleypeg]

Very nice Lee! Wish I knew more about Winchester knives. There are a lot of fake Winchesters so that has steered me clear of them. If I knew more I'd be into them for sure - they're great old knives. Winchester in and of itself has fascinating history - once upon a time everything from sporting goods to hardware, tools and paint to kitchen appliances like toasters and coffee pots were sold with the Winchester brand on them.

Ken

[BWT]

Lee that is a beautiful knife, love the bone. I'm like Ken, I wish I knew more about Winchester. I had no idea these might be counterfeit. I have seen remakes of Winchesters on eBay, but I thought these were original. You are right there are no pattern numbers on them. Thanks for the info and the comments.