Beautiful knife. Congrats on a great find!!Gunsil wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 11:05 pm Here's a hard one to find, a Kipsi Kut from Poughkeepsie, NY. Some wear to main blade, great snap, I'd been looking for one for many years.
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Old and Obscure Brands
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I'll sharpen it for you, but I don't give out band-aids!!
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PAXTON & GALLAGHER, Hardware wholesaler, 1864-1959, Omaha, NE. Pen blade snapped, slightly unique shield. 3-1/2", nice bone. brass liners,
iron bolsters. Maker unknown. Anybody have one? Like to know more. J.O'.
iron bolsters. Maker unknown. Anybody have one? Like to know more. J.O'.
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Ridge, check your PMs. I sent you one a couple days ago.Ridgegrass wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:28 pm PAXTON & GALLAGHER, Hardware wholesaler, 1864-1959, Omaha, NE. Pen blade snapped, slightly unique shield. 3-1/2", nice bone. brass liners,
iron bolsters. Maker unknown. Anybody have one? Like to know more. J.O'.
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VERITABLE CHOTON
Found on ebay and it was really dirty, seller offered it to me at 30% off original ask. Unfortunately the small blade was missing a chunk and the "Veritable" script in the Brand Name was gone. Needed a test bed for the sake of cleaning and I liked the look of it so I took the offer. Knife was very dirty and it was hard to open the blades and there was no "snap" initially.
My first few attempts at cleaning did not work (first a soapy bath, then a WD40 bath, then a more drastic attempt with Rust Oleum and letting soak for an hour) and I unfortunately had to sand it in the end. After sanding everything I used Can-o-Air to free up any particles and then finished with another WD40 bath to loosen up everything.
Here are the before pics.
Found on ebay and it was really dirty, seller offered it to me at 30% off original ask. Unfortunately the small blade was missing a chunk and the "Veritable" script in the Brand Name was gone. Needed a test bed for the sake of cleaning and I liked the look of it so I took the offer. Knife was very dirty and it was hard to open the blades and there was no "snap" initially.
My first few attempts at cleaning did not work (first a soapy bath, then a WD40 bath, then a more drastic attempt with Rust Oleum and letting soak for an hour) and I unfortunately had to sand it in the end. After sanding everything I used Can-o-Air to free up any particles and then finished with another WD40 bath to loosen up everything.
Here are the before pics.
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.....and here are the after cleaning pictures. Still need to thoroughly sharpen the main blade, but the saw teeth appear unused and are quite sharp as is. While not pictured all blades/pieces open all the way and all sit firmly at half-stop. The small blade has wobble when closed and opened, but the other items are all excellent closed/half/open and are firm to open and have very strong "snap".
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To be clear I don't plan on so drastic a clean on the old knives I pickup, but with this one I needed to know that I could if needed on any rusty/dirty knife.
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Good job!Yomagn'tho wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:47 pm To be clear I don't plan on so drastic a clean on the old knives I pickup, but with this one I needed to know that I could if needed on any rusty/dirty knife.
Cool old knife.
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According to Goins,dates from ca.1900-1920.E.Felsenheld Maker New York.4 1/2" jack.
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Nice, Roger. The jigging reminded me of Schrade.
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Mike,it's similar, but different. It pre-dates that style of Schrade jigging.
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Roger, you don't have a knife collection, you have a knife museum.
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Nice one, Roger. That is interesting jigging, two directional kind of like a basket weave.
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Yomagn'tho, you did a great job in cleaning and restoring that knife! I know we shudder at the thought of sanding rare antique knives, but sometimes the poor condition leaves you no choice.
There is a big difference between cleaning off rust, and over-buffing a knife "just to make it shiny"!
You did well!
There is a big difference between cleaning off rust, and over-buffing a knife "just to make it shiny"!
You did well!
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Good job Yomagn, looks good! Beautiful old obscure knife for sure Roger
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Beautiful find Roger!
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Thanks Reverand, appreciate itReverand wrote: ↑Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:54 am Yomagn'tho, you did a great job in cleaning and restoring that knife! I know we shudder at the thought of sanding rare antique knives, but sometimes the poor condition leaves you no choice.
There is a big difference between cleaning off rust, and over-buffing a knife "just to make it shiny"!
You did well!
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A.A. FISHER
I will have to look for a better example, but I slicked this one up pretty fast. Goins 2nd Edition doesn't list it so I am not sure about it's date or anything for that matter. I think the scales are bakelite (looks & feels) so it would be post 1909. Sorry I was having a difficult time getting focus on the makers mark and couldn't find my magnifying glass.
A couple questions though:
1. How does the collecting community feel about reshaping an already damaged blade? Obviously leaving a knife as untouched is ideal, closest to factory as possible, but if the damage already exists? With this one I will leave the smaller blade alone as the main one will be all I need.
2. Apart from Goin's are there any books that will help shed light on the different knife makers?
I will have to look for a better example, but I slicked this one up pretty fast. Goins 2nd Edition doesn't list it so I am not sure about it's date or anything for that matter. I think the scales are bakelite (looks & feels) so it would be post 1909. Sorry I was having a difficult time getting focus on the makers mark and couldn't find my magnifying glass.
A couple questions though:
1. How does the collecting community feel about reshaping an already damaged blade? Obviously leaving a knife as untouched is ideal, closest to factory as possible, but if the damage already exists? With this one I will leave the smaller blade alone as the main one will be all I need.
2. Apart from Goin's are there any books that will help shed light on the different knife makers?
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Rebuilding the blade or not depends on the purpose of the knife. Do you want to use it or just store it in a collection. Of course, when replacing the blade, authenticity will be lost, but maybe it makes sense.Yomagn'tho wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:56 am A.A. FISHER
I will have to look for a better example, but I slicked this one up pretty fast. Goins 2nd Edition doesn't list it so I am not sure about it's date or anything for that matter. I think the scales are bakelite (looks & feels) so it would be post 1909. Sorry I was having a difficult time getting focus on the makers mark and couldn't find my magnifying glass.
A couple questions though:
1. How does the collecting community feel about reshaping an already damaged blade? Obviously leaving a knife as untouched is ideal, closest to factory as possible, but if the damage already exists? With this one I will leave the smaller blade alone as the main one will be all I need.
2. Apart from Goin's are there any books that will help shed light on the different knife makers?
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That’s a nice ole obscure brand for sure, thanks for showing. I usually don’t try to change the blade shape unless maybe it’s a really small nick. I would probably make it worse. If it is a old knife I got for my collection I’m never going to use it and it already served it purpose unfortunately for the person that abused it.Yomagn'tho wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:56 am A.A. FISHER
I will have to look for a better example, but I slicked this one up pretty fast. Goins 2nd Edition doesn't list it so I am not sure about it's date or anything for that matter. I think the scales are bakelite (looks & feels) so it would be post 1909. Sorry I was having a difficult time getting focus on the makers mark and couldn't find my magnifying glass.
A couple questions though:
1. How does the collecting community feel about reshaping an already damaged blade? Obviously leaving a knife as untouched is ideal, closest to factory as possible, but if the damage already exists? With this one I will leave the smaller blade alone as the main one will be all I need.
2. Apart from Goin's are there any books that will help shed light on the different knife makers?
Bill
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to AAPK.Yomagn'tho wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:56 am A.A. FISHER
I will have to look for a better example, but I slicked this one up pretty fast. Goins 2nd Edition doesn't list it so I am not sure about it's date or anything for that matter. I think the scales are bakelite (looks & feels) so it would be post 1909. Sorry I was having a difficult time getting focus on the makers mark and couldn't find my magnifying glass.
A couple questions though:
1. How does the collecting community feel about reshaping an already damaged blade? Obviously leaving a knife as untouched is ideal, closest to factory as possible, but if the damage already exists? With this one I will leave the smaller blade alone as the main one will be all I need.
2. Apart from Goin's are there any books that will help shed light on the different knife makers?
For Sheffield knives, "Tweedale's Directory of Sheffield Cutlery Manufacturers 1740 - 2013" is excellent. For German knives, Carter's "German Knife and Sword Makers 1850 to 1945" is the best. There are about 5 Fishers listed in Tweedale's, but no A.A. There is one listing for "Fischer" in Carter's, but, no mention of A.A. It was a mark used by Paul Kohl.
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Thanks for the welcome and the info Dandanno50 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 3:21 pmto AAPK.Yomagn'tho wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:56 am A.A. FISHER
I will have to look for a better example, but I slicked this one up pretty fast. Goins 2nd Edition doesn't list it so I am not sure about it's date or anything for that matter. I think the scales are bakelite (looks & feels) so it would be post 1909. Sorry I was having a difficult time getting focus on the makers mark and couldn't find my magnifying glass.
A couple questions though:
1. How does the collecting community feel about reshaping an already damaged blade? Obviously leaving a knife as untouched is ideal, closest to factory as possible, but if the damage already exists? With this one I will leave the smaller blade alone as the main one will be all I need.
2. Apart from Goin's are there any books that will help shed light on the different knife makers?
For Sheffield knives, "Tweedale's Directory of Sheffield Cutlery Manufacturers 1740 - 2013" is excellent. For German knives, Carter's "German Knife and Sword Makers 1850 to 1945" is the best. There are about 5 Fishers listed in Tweedale's, but no A.A. There is one listing for "Fischer" in Carter's, but, no mention of A.A. It was a mark used by Paul Kohl.
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This is one that I would never have had a clue about if it was not for AAPK, John Chatillon & Sons. It has some wear but so do I. Thanks
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