Old Rope Knives

Miller Bro's · Post by **Miller Bro's** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:53 pm

KAW wrote:Thanks all for chiming in about this knife.... I got about as much consensus here as anywhere else ....

Ken, it was definitely reshaped at some point in time, it was originally a pruning blade.

peanut740 · Post by **peanut740** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:23 am

Ditto what MB said.Blade is definitely short.

KAW · Post by **KAW** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:51 am

Dimitri to the rescue!.... There's no disputing seeing a knife pattern in its pristine original form!

tjmurphy · Post by **tjmurphy** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:43 am

Good to see you posting, Dimitri. I was hoping you would comment on this one.

djknife13 · Post by **djknife13** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:25 am

I still see problems with the knife being re profiled. The pins are in different places between the two knives and if the hawkbill with 1010 penned in above it were cut off to resemble a sailors knife it would be shorter than the disputed knife. Note that the end of the blade points almost directly at the last pin. The hawkbill is even shorter with it's full blade. Are you thinking someone re profiled the blade and put it in a different frame? MB's frame is more curved and the bolster is tilted differently. It lies parallel with the frame on the disputed knife. Does the hawkbill shown actually have a 1010 stamped on the tang? I'm not digging in trying to be stubborn. They still appear to me to be two different knives. I just don't see it.____Dave

ratlesnake75 · Post by **ratlesnake75** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:01 pm

Hey Dave, The slight curvature differences,,The pin placements and even blade lengths are Different in minute aspects on all of our antique knives, Sir. No 2 knives even from the exact same time period and plant will be Absolute Perfect identical twins,,,it just didnt happen. The processes back then were not on a Massive production scale as they are today in China.
Kind Regards,
Mark

LongBlade · Post by **LongBlade** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:15 pm

Interesting discussion... just not sure I have seen too many if any rope knives with a rounded spine at the tip... most are flat on end and a small flat edge between spine and tip - if that makes any sense but this example shows it...

Here’s a Russell Rope Knife and a recent pickup at the NCCA show – Interesting that it is stag given it was not that common of a handle material for Russell - actually has a Sambar Stag look but not any evidence that Russell used that and no catalog cuts to support that suggestion – maybe it was ourced from the UK handle material supplier… Knives from Russell rarely used stag and some Daddy Barlows have been seen with that handle material but not at all common… No doubt an oldie – probably pre-or WWI vintage (maybe Spanish American War) - stamp on this is the "diamond-R-diamond/J Russell & Co/Green River/Works…… blade is tight and great snap opening and closing… only bummer is the sliver of stag missing from mark side bottom – but sometimes you accept certain conditions

… at the price a no brainer & worth the buy

... It is 4 & ¼” closed… Thanks for looking!

ratlesnake75 · Post by **ratlesnake75** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:19 pm

Hey Lee, What a Killer Russell you have & I concur about the Stag use on Russells are Extremely scarce. My dad has an old Russell w/ Stag and worn out blades(owned it for decades),,,I will try & get a few pics of it in the next couple weeks to compare the STAG on our knives.
Kind Regards,
Mark

LongBlade · Post by **LongBlade** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:59 pm

Thanks Mark

... whenever you get a chance and no rush buddy but it would be cool to see pics of yours as well!

ratlesnake75 · Post by **ratlesnake75** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:05 am

Hey Lee, Finally got my old man to dig out his Russell Stag knife & get a couple pics for me to post it. He bought the knife for .50cents at the Pine Bluff, AR Flea Market around the year 1990 when I was in High School,,This is what he told me as I didnt remember at all,,,I think I was more interested in looking at Girls at the time, lmao. Some old man was using the knife too peel oranges with and Dad ask him if he wanted to sell it, LOL. Its been one of our personal favorites ever since.
Kind Regards,
Mark

LongBlade · Post by **LongBlade** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:07 am

ratlesnake75 wrote:Hey Lee, Finally got my old man to dig out his Russell Stag knife & get a couple pics for me to post it. He bought the knife for .50cents at the Pine Bluff, AR Flea Market around the year 1990 when I was in High School,,This is what he told me as I didnt remember at all,,,I think I was more interested in looking at Girls at the time, lmao. Some old man was using the knife too peel oranges with and Dad ask him if he wanted to sell it, LOL. Its been one of our personal favorites ever since.
Kind Regards,
Mark

Thanks for sharing that knife Mark

... definitely nice old stag but to my eye abit different than mine in terms of striations and look... but yours has awesome character with great background and stories - glad I got to see it buddy

.... thanks!!

Cheers
Lee

Berryb · Post by **Berryb** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:26 am

I got this 4 line Camillus this weekend. No bail, and a lotta off road miles,but the price was right. I have a question though; why is that shape of blade better for cutting rope than any other shape, or is there another use?
Bruce

treefarmer · Post by **treefarmer** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:57 am

Bruce, that's the kind of knife I enjoy finding! I looked it up and I believe that stamp is the 1941-46. What is the handle material, it looks like wood in the picture?
Treefarmer

Berryb · Post by **Berryb** » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:15 am

Philip; I saw one way back on this thread that was said to be jigged rosewood. I don't know about the rosewood but it is a dense wood of some sort. Bruce

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:02 pm

I acquired this in trade a week ago at my monthly knife club meeting. I find the curve in the blade interesting. Maybe it improves its function??
T. Turner "ENCORE".

JohnR · Post by **JohnR** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:26 pm

Thats a nice one Charlie, unique with that curve, great vintage stag!

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:35 pm

Thanks, John!!
Like so many of those old Ropes from that era, its snap will chop a pencil in half!!

djknife13 · Post by **djknife13** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 7:42 pm

Wow that Turner is a great knife. ___Dave

upnorth · Post by **upnorth** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:36 pm

Here's my collection to date:

Pile Driver · Post by **Pile Driver** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:33 am

An old Union

peanut740 · Post by **peanut740** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:11 am

Very nice Union PD!

LongBlade · Post by **LongBlade** » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:59 pm

Really nice Union rope knife with those worm groove bone handles PD

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LongBlade · Post by **LongBlade** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:08 pm

Here's an old Thomaston Navy jack - 3 & 1/4" closed; looks like Rogers bone to me as the handle. Interestingly Thomaston was not one of those 14 listed that made these knives for the government around WWI. Yet the manicure blade has the remnants of the circular stamp "Made in USA" that was seen on many rope knives made for the government.

BWT · Post by **BWT** » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:44 pm

That's a good looking knife Lee, thanks for sharing!!!

LongBlade · Post by **LongBlade** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:11 am

Thanks Bill

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