Terrier Cutlery Company

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Two lovely old knives, Kevin. ::tu:: ::tu::
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Thanks Danno!!!! Really like terriers and there are some really nice ones on this thread
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You’re welcome Kevin. I love spending other people’s money.

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The greatest discovery since the wheel or the ramblings of an aapk newbie. Let u decide. So, many posts back on this thread there was a discussion about what was stamped on a terrier pattern 027 I believe. It was a unique stamp and not completely legible , so hard to draw definitive conclusion. And in fact even if the stamp had been totally legible it could have been a crazy one off of sorts well I was fortunate enough to have purchased a knife that was also an 027 also the same tang stamp except this one is completely legible and supports the conclusions of the original knife. Soooo I am going out on a limb and stating that we have for sure a new previously undiscovered terrier tang stamp. I would like to know the years they had their NY showroom as that may help with production dates for this knife. Ok I am done ready to be beaten up 😊but until then very excited.
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Sorry having trouble posting clear pics of the tang stamp I will work on that. But it states Terrier first line then cut. Co. Second line and last line what u guys suspected NY city thanks Kevin
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Ok think the pics I got work well enough to see
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Kevin, I have not much knowledge on Terriers but that is a beautiful knife. Congrats. ::handshake::
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Thanks Floyd. I do like it , course the broken reprofiled blade not so nice But the tang stamps are very interesting.
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Very nice, Kevin. ::tu::

Other than the dates, 1910 to 1916, there is not much known about Terrier Cutlery and frankly, there are no guarantees those dates are accurate.

I have never seen any paper from Robeson re' Terrier cutlery. I have never seen a catalog or any kind of price list for them and I've never seen a Terrier knife box, though there was a rumor of one's existence a number of years ago.

I know Robeson had an office and showrooms on Fifth Avenue in New York City, but I don't know when it was there. I have an all metal self-advertiser that states that and has both Robeson Cutlery Co and Rochester Stamping Co (Not Works) on it, so the knife might coincide with the accepted dates of manufacture for Terrier knives.

Irving S. Robeson was an avid sportsman. He was a jumping and/or dressage horseman, a very successful amateur golfer, winning tournaments all up and down the Atlantic Seaboard and I suspect he was a breeder or owner of American Pit-bull Terriers, hence the name given to the short-lived, but premium quality line of knives, folding and straight. I have a large Terrier meat cleaver and there are a couple of Terrier kitchen knives in the Robeson catalog reproduced by David Clark a few years ago.
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Thank you for more info. It is unfortunate we have so little information. But at least one more tang stamp! However another confusing bit of information comes from the wonderful knife you included photos of . Here you have a knife clearly associated with N.Y. City yet it has a Rochester ny tang stamp. At least that stamp placed it near the terrier time period. And I have a terrier with a punch blade with the usual apr. 25-05 stamp and with a 17 year limit (which I believe is correct) on patents at that time , that also backs up terriers dates of 1910-1916 In fact I think I will show some pics of the knife with the punch blade as I have a question maybe you or someone can answer thanks Kevin
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The photos below are of a three blade terrier the pattern is 069 632 The master blade is a spear and it has a punch blade but the center blade is a mystery, a broken clip point made into a screwdriver ? That doesn’t make much sense to me either; as you can see by the blade thickness it isn’t going to cut anything. Ideas anyone?
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Really do love worm grooves on these old knives which leads me to have a respectful difference of opinion with you Charlie. I know you mentioned an earthworm as a possible inspiration for the grooves with what looks like segments . I think rather the inspiration might have come from damage created by wood boring beetles. The wood on a cross section looks very similar to the grooves on the old knives. Sadly will probably never know for sure with so much information lost with time.
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So, do we start calling it "Wood Borer Bone"? :wink:

I have no idea who coined "Worm Groove Bone". Might have been Dewey Ferguson.

Cattaraugus called it, "Indian Trail".

It wasn't made by either Robeson or Catt, but supplied to them by Rogers or somebody else.

As to your three blade jack above, I suspect it looked like this:

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Ha ha no to the wood borer bone Charlie but I guess I should have explained in a little more detail. The larval stage often does the damage and in the old days they were called “wood worms” so we can keep worm groove name ! But your idea sounds good too . 😊. Thank you for the pics of the three blade that helped ! Is that a Robeson or Terrier ? The pattern I assume also 069 ? Thanks again for your input .
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Here is a pic of damage. Looks pretty similar I think no segments visible like on knives but some damage shows it and the larva are very segmented
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That is a Robeson. I have seen it with three different company’s advertising.

I have seen it with bone handles, but by far, most often with ivoroid advertising handles.

Don’t think I’ve ever seen a Terrier in that pattern.

Have seen earlier versions with a Presto-Lite key in the end of the wire-scaper/screw-driver blade. Frankly, surprised your Terrier doesn’t have one.

Some refer to these as “ Automobilist’s Knives”, though Robeson did make a four blade automobilist’s knife with a different blade configuration.
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I have a nice 5 inch EO 92 622. Here are a few pics. What sort of value does it have?
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Nice looking, big knife, Unclemrbig.
I'm curios about the worn handles and the blades not so much.
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Haven’t a clue!
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Looks like a really cool old knife that has been highly buffed to me.
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A well used and carried Terrier 092 giant EZ Opener that has been heavily cleaned.

Robeson made the pattern as a Robeson and as a Terrier.

I have a Terrier with the same pattern number, but with different blades.

I am not an appraiser and usually decline to put values on knives belonging to others. I do not follow the market or trends.

It’s not worth what it could have been. The cleaning hurts it.

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Here is a very old Jack Knife Ben with a Robeson/ Terrier punch blade. Old Ben only contracted knives from the best.
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RobesonsRme.com wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 1:09 am A well used and carried Terrier 092 giant EZ Opener that has been heavily cleaned.

Robeson made the pattern as a Robeson and as a Terrier.

I have a Terrier with the same pattern number, but with different blades.

I am not an appraiser and usually decline to put values on knives belonging to others. I do not follow the market or trends.

It’s not worth what it could have been. The cleaning hurts it.

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Thanks for the info!
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RobesonsRme.com wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:46 pm I was sitting in a parking lot last week while my wife was seeing one of her doctors and thought I’d check my e-mail on my cell phone.

I had a message from Lloyd Duff alerting me to a nice looking Terrier on EBay.

I looked at it, found it desirable and tried to buy it via the Buy-It-Now option, but could not as I was not logged into EBay on the phone and had no idea what my password might be. I know. Go figure.

Three hours later, when I finally got to my PC, the knife was still listed and I bought it, hoping it was as nice as it appeared.

This is what I received.

It is a 3 1/4” pearl handled Terrier Congress Whittler with a sheep foot master and two pens. The blades are close to mint with crocus polish on the front and glaze finish on the back. They all have half-stops and audible snaps opening, closing and at the half-stops.

Master is stamped TERRIER / CUTLERY / ROCHESTER, N.Y. And the pens are both marked TERRIER / CUTLERY. There is a dog’s head on the back of the master and and the pattern number 21 / 732 in two lines on one of the pens. That equates to a Robeson six digit number of 732021, which would be an early shape pattern at 021.

There is a little scratch on the front handle, otherwise they are in great condition.

Interestingly, after I received the knife, the seller listed another just like it, but not as nice. I looked at his list of auctions and he has five Congress Whittlers on EBay, all of different manufacturers. I found that very interesting.
I have the same knife bit not nearly as nice!
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Another Terrier-3 blade 69 632.
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