ANTIQUE SWEDISH BARREL KNIVES

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27. July 2011 Barrel Knives with feathers in the back on a knife hits a couple of years ago asked Morten Danielsen if I had seen a barrel knife with a spring in the back. I had not, and he could take it out of pocket with a broad smile, knowing that I would like to have it. We studied the up and down. It looked like the usual from Eskilstuna, but then this spring. It was unsigned, so it was hard to say who had made ​​it. At first glance it is that any barrel knives from Eskilstuna. All right preserved, with well below average birch. The only thing that betrays that there is something special about it, is the small dark square in the brass rail at the lock. Viewed from this side it is certainly clear that this is anything other than we're used to: It has a spring in the back. It is mechanism is quite clear: The lock spring is put in a stop that keeps the blade in place when you squeeze the latch and take the knife out of the barrel, until you run out and leave the beach open knife. This does not work for it in the photo, here when the blade is not up to the stop. The blade is either replaced or nedkortet. We talked of course about who could have made ​​it, if there was one outside the regular manufacturers who wanted to try on something smart, or whether this was a prototype of one of the major manufacturers. And so on, you know the kind of discussions that knife most people ever give up on. And so the case was lying, as they often do. Not long ago I received an email from the Swedish knife collector Ulf Ahlström who live in the U.S., asking if I had seen a barrel knife with spring, and if I knew anything about it. I sent him some pictures, and he sent me some patents, and here's the story so far. CG Paffrath, Solingen Surprisingly, the patent from 1883 is not from Eskilstuna, but from Germany: The patent is an improvement of "where sogenannte Schwedenmesser", ie "The so-called Swedish knife." The name "Swedish knife" was apparently incorporated in Germany already in 1883. It says that this patent should not have the familiar, twisting the opening of the barrel knife. While the knife in the regular version to be taken out of the barrel, and then opened before it can be put back in, comes this new out of the barrel fully opened. To take the knife out of the barrel, just press the shutter release as normal. Then comes a stop inside out and keeps the blade in place while taking out the knife. When the shutter release, pops the blade up and can be put back into the unfolded position. As said, the magazine is possibly changed. What is there now is a completely standard barrel blade. The image in the patent description is another slipefas. It does not mean anything, but it may well be that any original leaf looked like. With signature? This stop may well easily be problems with the blade tip when the blade was ground slightly. As with many patents with additional features: The knives are more expensive to produce, and it is not certain that the new features are appreciated. It is certainly clear that this was not a success, so rare that these blades seem to be. The knife is hardly later than 1883. Firm CG Paffrath I do not know anything about. A. Halling, Eskilstuna Right after I had received a patent images, there were sure is a copy on eBay! Amazing coincidence. We had then followed with eBay for years without seeing one, and just now got it. Such incredible coincidence comes so often that we probably should stop watching those incredible. A collector friend of mine bought it and sent me pictures: Apparently a regular barrel knife, but the small square at the lock reveals what this is and when you have the knife in hand, we see the that it has feathers in the back. The magazine has not the same shape as in the patent description, and it is not that the barrel knives in general. It really is surprising is leaf plunger, which rhymes very well with the information above. It says: A. HALLING Eskilstuna When there are many thoughts that may, for example, that it was Halling who produced knives for Paffrath, and that they also made ​​some for themselves. Or something else. But then the question is with Halling stamp. The continuous bolt on the blade does not look entirely convincing. It is hardly original. And then it just possible that the first leaf was destroyed and another was taken from Halling-knife. Or, the magazine is an original, but that it was necessary to put the new bolt when the original came loose. Or. . . In any case, a very funny knife in a barrel knife collection. Franz Frenzel, Solingen little earlier the same year as CG Paffrath was another Solingen also patented the barrel knife with spring: Franz Frenzel. He focused instead on the coil spring. Ulf Ahlström sent me a copy of his patent also: While Paffraths knife is a standard barrel knife that has been equipped with feathers, is this one a bit on the side of what we think of the term barrel knife. Here is a magazine that can be retracted into the barrel and locked, and with a spring that sends it out when you eject mechanism. I have not seen any like that knife, but Franz Frenzel NOK created a series of them. Frenzel studied NOK Swedish barrel knives to see if there was something there for him. On eBay, there was even a Frenzel folding knife with a blade less barrel shaped, similar to the Hallström-knife Arne Marmar shows the bottom right of page 27 in the book Knivar från Eskilstuna . I did not bid on it. Later the company moved from Solingen for Nixdorf in Bohemia, where they made ​​weapons during the Second World War. They had this stamp: FRANZ Frenzel Nixdorf .
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It seems there is nothing new that could possibly be added to this thread so I am just going to display photos of My Eskilstuna Barrel Knife that I just received in a trade. The Curly Birch is neat. It is an Joh. Engstrom.
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Nice Moss!
Would you show the pics of the blade mechanism out of the barrel?

That was a nice pic you sent to me.
Others would enjoy it I am thinking. ::nod::
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You Got them Dale, I attached to previous post.
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I sure was grateful to find this thread while re-searching this knife I recently came into possesion of!
This was my Grandpa's hunting knife, and has been in the family for generations, only recently to be found again in my brother's gun cabinet, and now passed on to me.
The handle measure 4 1/2 ", and it is a Jernbolaget, Eskilstuna....with the AJW stamped vertically next to the Jernbolaget. So if I am not mistaken, that indicates that it was produced by A.J. Westersson for import by Jernbolaget...and A.J. Westersson produced Barrel Knives from 1889-1905, making this one a pretty old example!
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Beautiful wood on that one Mike ::drool::


And very cool that it was your grandpas ::tu:: That's a great treasure to have.


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Thanks Tim, I'm really impressed with the wood too and how well it has held up over the year...Knives were tools of the trade for my Grandpa, and I know he used this one hard. I'm sure it got wet and bloody quite frequently, but the wood still looks great, I'm really honored to be able to add this one to the collection ::nod::
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Mike, that is a fantastic knife. I love that it was your grandfathers and that it is so well used. Great history, a very special piece.
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CCBill wrote:Well, here's my meager entry for this forum. It's so small I really couldn't get good pictures of it. I'm LOUSY with a camera.
It is stamped, "Joh. Engstrom/ Sweden" on the brass liner. I assume that since it has the country of origin on it that it was made between 1891 and 1918. As you can see by the tape measure, the barrel is 1 inch long. The blade still shows about 99% of the factory shine. I just threw in the other 2 small ones for comparison sake. Any additional info will be greatly appreciated. I'm thinking about putting this one up for sale but I haven't decided, yet.
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That's a great little knife and thanks for the information on "Barrel Knives".
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Met a friend today who brought a box of knifes his grandfather gave him. one of which is this type of barrel knife that was my friends great grandfathers.
The only difference in this knife and the ones pictured here, the top of the blade is serrated. they think it is for scaling fish..

full blade and overall this knife is very nice.

how rare is a serrated knife like this?
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I brought this one from my local antique shop for £33.00.do you think I've got a good deal.
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I love the barrel knives! Here is what I have, so far... Cheers

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Miller Bro's wrote:I think this one was made in India ::shrug::
This one looks the same bought in Holland
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I bought my first barrel knife at a flea market today. I paid $50 for it.
It's four inches from the catch to the pivot and the actual handle is 3 5/16".
It's missing the lanyard ring and has a unreadable stamp in the blade.
It's a solid piece of kit and I'm pretty happy with it.
Nice information about these knives in this thread. ::tu::
ebay sellers are quite proud of the few they are selling there.

Thanks for looking,
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FRJ wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:49 pm I bought my first barrel knife at a flea market today. I paid $50 for it.
It's four inches from the catch to the pivot and the actual handle is 3 5/16".
It's missing the lanyard ring and has a unreadable stamp in the blade.
It's a solid piece of kit and I'm pretty happy with it.
Nice information about these knives in this thread. ::tu::
ebay sellers are quite proud of the few they are selling there.

Thanks for looking,
I only have one of these, but it's not as nice as this one ::tu::
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Thank you, David. ::tu::
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Lots of great info in this thread, I happen to have one.
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FRJ wrote: Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:49 pm I bought my first barrel knife at a flea market today. I paid $50 for it.
ebay sellers are quite proud of the few they are selling there.
Nice find! ::tu:: ::tu::
I bought one awhile back this year at a flea market as well. I paid a lot more for it BECAUSE of ebay and the guy selling it was sure it was worth a fortune because "I saw it on ebay" :x ::td:: But I wanted it, so I got it and I am happy with it. In fact I love it ::tu:: It is such a cool knife ::nod::
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Thank you, GSPTOPDOG.
They are a great knife.
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Not sure if he still has it, but Roland had a very unique one for sale a couple weeks back. All of his knives seem to be a cut above.

My bad it may not be Swedish, but a 4 blade barrel that is quite eye candy
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I thought I'd share a couple of my barrel knives in this thread.
This one was made by Segerstrom of Eskilstuna and imported by Edward Zinn of New York. I believe the "SWEDEN" mark on the handle was done by the importer, too. Edward Zinn also typically stamped barrel knives with an elephant mark, but this example doesn't have that.
This one was made by Segerstrom of Eskilstuna and imported by Edward Zinn of New York. I believe the "SWEDEN" mark on the handle was done by the importer, too. Edward Zinn also typically stamped barrel knives with an elephant mark, but this example doesn't have that.
This one is a mystery, other collectors have speculated that it could be Indian manufacture. It is unmarked, and unlikely to have been made in Eskilstuna. Notably, it has an intricate, hand carved vine and leaf design on both sides of the handle.
This one is a mystery, other collectors have speculated that it could be Indian manufacture. It is unmarked, and unlikely to have been made in Eskilstuna. Notably, it has an intricate, hand carved vine and leaf design on both sides of the handle.
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Nephilim wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:30 pm I thought I'd share a couple of my barrel knives in this thread.

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The second is really cool!!
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I bought my first Swedish Barrel Knife this week! It is a Pontus Holmberg, from Ekilstuna.
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I know that this one is not a great example, but it is the first one that I have ever touched. I fished it out of the shallow end of the 'Bay. It is pretty cool!
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Reverand wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 2:24 pm I.....
NICE find, Scott! ::tu:: ::tu::
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Welcome to the club, Reverand! Very cool, I kind of like the antiqued green.
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