3 blade whittlers are addictive... Change my mind..

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So I guess this is a 3/4 congress whittler, who knew, is a 6 blade congress a congress and a half? Inquiring minds want to know. Personally I think half has no business being used in knife normclature. But that's just me YMMV. Beautiful knives by the the way.
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This is a three spring, no wedges. Some purists would not like it. I like it.
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And, of course, a seahorse.
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Another three spring.
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Sunday whittler by Boker Germany.
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Early Camillus.
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tongueriver wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:24 pm The bottom knife is a whittler stockman.
Nice pearl! I can't quite make out the tang stamp. Who made that whittler? Remington?
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tongueriver wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:19 pm Yes, the Camillus 72 and the Schrade 863 (and others) are neither whittlers nor stockmans, but they are sure nice knives. Sometimes that pattern has been called a carpenter's knife, I believe. CASE made a pen knife which apparently they called a half whittler and by now collectors are calling all manner of pen knives half whittlers. They are certainly nothing of the kind because a half whittler is physically impossible if one subscribes to the classic definition of a whittler. Similar idiocy might be a half moose. As long as one is talking about the CASE pen knife I would reluctantly accept the company's name for it, but not any other pen knife. A half congress is a legitimate moniker. All that aside, the whittler in all its legitimate forms (with and without wedged springs, and sometimes with three springs) is a wonderful collectible and using knife as well. Thanks for a great thread!
Exactly, Triver! The 72 is called a carpenter's / whittler knife in the 1946 catalog, so I guess it just stuck...I agree the "half whittler" thing is crazy.
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bighomer wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:17 pm So I guess this is a 3/4 congress whittler, who knew, is a 6 blade congress a congress and a half? Inquiring minds want to know. Personally I think half has no business being used in knife normclature. But that's just me YMMV. Beautiful knives by the the way.
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::stir:: FWIW I don’t believe the term “half whittler” originated from Case. I believe as with many other pattern names (“whittler” included), it originated with collectors. What is called half whittler today was called a “pen” knife in Case catalogs up until a few years ago. But I recall hearing the term “half whittler” at shows in the 1970s. Contrary to popular opinion I don’t think Case marketing can be credited (or blamed) for the name.

Yes I know BRL said it originated from Case Marketing, but if so why did Case catalogs continue to call it a pen long after he said that? And why didn’t they copyright it as they have done with many other patterns? Instead Case finally gave in and began using it in catalogs years after it became a commonplace description for the pattern. Show me evidence of Case using the term “half whittler” anywhere prior to a few years ago. ::shrug::

BTW, isn’t “three blade whittler” redundant? I didn’t know there was any other kind. ::poke::

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Mumbleypeg wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:22 pm ::stir:: FWIW I don’t believe the term “half whittler” originated from Case. I believe as with many other pattern names (“whittler” included), it originated with collectors. What is called half whittler today was called a “pen” knife in Case catalogs up until a few years ago. But I recall hearing the term “half whittler” at shows in the 1970s. Contrary to popular opinion I don’t think Case marketing can be credited (or blamed) for the name.

Yes I know BRL said it originated from Case Marketing, but if so why did Case catalogs continue to call it a pen long after he said that? And why didn’t they copyright it as they have done with many other patterns? Instead Case finally gave in and began using it in catalogs years after it became a commonplace description for the pattern. Show me evidence of Case using the term “half whittler” anywhere prior to a few years ago. ::shrug::

BTW, isn’t “three blade whittler” redundant? I didn’t know there was any other kind. ::poke::

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Mumbleypeg wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:22 pm
BTW, isn’t “three blade whittler” redundant? I didn’t know there was any other kind. ::poke::

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Without starting an,"excrement downpour" I believe there has always been some discussion(mostly among purists)as to what actually constitutes a ,"true whittler".Aside from whether the master blade is a Wharncliffe or spear or clip pattern,supposedly a true whittler will contain a coping and pen blade as secondaries.If one contains a manicure/file blade it is not considered a "true" whittler.
The"congress" thing is a whole other bunch of worms trying to get out of the can. ::dang::
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Mumbleypeg wrote: Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:22 pm ::stir:: FWIW I don’t believe the term “half whittler” originated from Case. I believe as with many other pattern names (“whittler” included), it originated with collectors. What is called half whittler today was called a “pen” knife in Case catalogs up until a few years ago. But I recall hearing the term “half whittler” at shows in the 1970s. Contrary to popular opinion I don’t think Case marketing can be credited (or blamed) for the name.

Yes I know BRL said it originated from Case Marketing, but if so why did Case catalogs continue to call it a pen long after he said that? And why didn’t they copyright it as they have done with many other patterns? Instead Case finally gave in and began using it in catalogs years after it became a commonplace description for the pattern. Show me evidence of Case using the term “half whittler” anywhere prior to a few years ago. ::shrug::

BTW, isn’t “three blade whittler” redundant? I didn’t know there was any other kind. ::poke::

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Here is a buncha whittlers from my accumulation. Some may have a broken blade or two(are those 2/3rds whittlers?)but I still like them.
#1 A.Field & Sons Progress with a manicure secondary blade.
#2 Capital Cutlery Germany with sterling silver handles.
#3 Harrison Bros. & Howson.
#4 Humason & Beckley with sterling silver handles.
#5 Geo. Wostenholm Celebrated Cutlery with well sharpened blades,ivory handles and a shield dated 1870.The small blade I believe is used to trim cigars and is full size.
#6 Master blade stamped J.A.Henckels and the two secondaries I*XL with one stamped,"C.Langbein NY"on the pile side.Langbein was a knife repairman as well as a distributor so this was likely one of his jobs.
#7 Another I*XL with a manicure secondary blade.
#8 An I*XL with popcorn stag handles.
#9 New York Knife Co. with ivory handles.
#10 Peters Bros with two broken blades(a 1/3rd whittler maybe?)and an eagle motif on the handles. The other side is a field of stars.Likely made right after WWI.
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A few more........
#1 Remington with a tipped manicure blade.
#2 Robeson frame with I*XL blades.I transposed them because the Robeson blades were all broken and the I*XL handles were junk.
#3 Schrade-Walden with purse in like new condition.
#4 Simmonds Hardware with ivory handles.
#5 Ulster with ivory handles and purse.
#6 Ulster with pearl handles.
#7 Ulster with pearl handles and tip bolsters.
#8 Union Cutlery Tidioute PA
#9 Unmarked whittler with gold covers on bolsters;engraving washed in gold and screws for blade pivots.
#10 Utica whittler with bail.
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Here are a few of my favorite 3 blade whittler.
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Last few:
#1 Vom Cleff with stag handles and broken blade.
#2 Wahkonsa Cutlery.
#3 Wilson Bros. Sheffield
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knife7knut wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:49 am A few more........
#1 Remington with a tipped manicure blade.
#2 Robeson frame with I*XL blades.I transposed them because the Robeson blades were all broken and the I*XL handles were junk.
#3 Schrade-Walden with purse in like new condition.
#4 Simmonds Hardware with ivory handles.
#5 Ulster with ivory handles and purse.
#6 Ulster with pearl handles.
#7 Ulster with pearl handles and tip bolsters.
#8 Union Cutlery Tidioute PA
#9 Unmarked whittler with gold covers on bolsters;engraving washed in gold and screws for blade pivots.
#10 Utica whittler with bail.
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Sharpnshinyknives wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 1:53 am Here are a few of my favorite 3 blade whittler.
Some real beauties there, Mark! ::tu::
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Here is a 3 1/2" Henckels made whittler with saber ground master blade.
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Only one I ever had, but I put it to good use every now and then,
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I grew up with a 3 blade whittler in my pocket, but for actual whittling once I tried a Loom Fixer I never looked back. You asked us to “change your mind”.

The LM has fewer hot spots, the wider handle doesn’t want to roll over in your hand while cutting like the slender whittler pattern. So you don’t have to grip as hard causing less fatigue. The large sheepsfoot master great for big cuts to remove material fast, and the tip is great for making stop and back cuts if you are outlining letters on a sign or just carving your initials.

The secondary pen blade is actually a pretty substantial blade in its own right is great for detail work.
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kootenay joe wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:59 am Here is a 3 1/2" Henckels made whittler with saber ground master blade.
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stagman wrote: Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:26 am 5355-front.jpgOnly one I ever had, but I put it to good use every now and then,
stays in my travel bag with a few others...

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