Why do they call it “Winterbottom “

[QTCut5]

Joe, that Copperhead(?) is sweet! I think that's the best example of Winterbottom bone I've ever seen. Very nice.

As for coloration, check out these two Queen 51's.

Admittedly, I don't have a lot of experience with Winterbottom bone; so, half the time I can't tell the difference between genuine WB bone and imitation WB Delrin. (Both of my 51s look like Delrin to me.)

What year did Queen begin using Delrin instead of bone for WB handles? Did they use both bone and Delrin concurrently?

~Q~

[wiseguy]

We all know Queen used WB but so did Schrade for a very short run....Here's the factory, and a 1930s Gearge Schrade automatic.

[Sharpnshinyknives]

Joe, that Copperhead(?) is sweet! I think that's the best example of Winterbottom bone I've ever seen. Very nice.

As for coloration, check out these two Queen 51's.

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Admittedly, I don't have a lot of experience with Winterbottom bone; so, half the time I can't tell the difference between genuine WB bone and imitation WB Delrin. (Both of my 51s look like Delrin to me.)

What year did Queen begin using Delrin instead of bone for WB handles? Did they use both bone and Delrin concurrently?

~Q~

Q, check out that article posted on the first page of this thread. It says they transitioned over to Delrin by the late 60’s. It reads like they were having handles made in both for over 10 years, and started using Delrin in the 50’s.
That’s very helpful article, I’m going to bookmark that one.
SSk

[RalphAlsip]

These pictures show Case's use of Winterbottom. The gold Winterbottom 6165 is a Tested XX era knife (~1920 - ~1940). The three equal end patterns are all W.R. Case & Sons (~1905 - ~1914).

[bighomer]

Some more ladies.

bottom one is faux bone or plastic if you prefer.

[Sharpnshinyknives]

Case has a new fence row jigging that looks like a new take on Winterbottom. I kind of like these. Haven’t seen many olive green bone knives I didn’t like.
SSk

[Steve Warden]

I've been watching and looking at all the fine samples you folks have been putting on display. Can't say that Winterbottom really does anything for me.

But that's me. More for you guys!! Ain't gonna stop me from lookin'. Maybe it'll grow on me.

[OLDE CUTLER]

The last time I ordered from Culpepper, I got this pair of Winterbottom slabs. I agree that they are not for everyone or every knife, but they have their moments. Now to find a good candidate for these.

[zoogirl]

The closest thing I have is this little Whitetail. I don’t know what the scales actually are. They are unusually thick anyway.

[gsmith7158]

That's very creative jigging, Greg. Have you ever seen jigging like that before?

Yes Joe, I have. If you will look Jerry's(RalphAlsip) post you will see that his Case and Son's knives have similar jigging.

[FRJ]

... Thanks Greg.

[Sharpnshinyknives]

These pictures show Case's use of Winterbottom. The gold Winterbottom 6165 is a Tested XX era knife (~1920 - ~1940). The three equal end patterns are all W.R. Case & Sons (~1905 - ~1914).

Those are some of the best looking Winterbottom bones I have seen. Especially that last one.
SSk

[knife7knut]

Here's an old Case and Son's knife. The lines intersect on it.

That jigging reminds me of the style of early 50's Japanese knives. Never saw anything like that on a USA made knife!

[QTCut5]

Finally managed to snag a Queen #51 with genuine Winterbottom Bone...not Delrin like my other 51s...and I must say, the difference is more than obvious. I much prefer the Bone.

This GEC #99 Wall Street has what they call "Burnt Orange Springfield Bone" handle scales. Not sure what "Springfield" means exactly, but it has a somewhat Winterbottom-like appearance, IMO.

~Q~

[Sharpnshinyknives]

Finally managed to snag a Queen #51 with genuine Winterbottom Bone...not Delrin like my other 51s...and I must say, the difference is more than obvious. I much prefer the Bone.

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This GEC #99 Wall Street has what they call "Burnt Orange Springfield Bone" handle scales. Not sure what "Springfield" means exactly, but it has a somewhat Winterbottom-like appearance, IMO.

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~Q~

That Queen is really fine. I thought that same thing about the Wallstreet as well.

[QTCut5]

I picked up this Queen #51T off eBay with what I believed was an unusual color of Winterbottom Bone; however, after I got it in hand and compared it to my other Winterbottom handled #51s, I now think it's actually Winterbottom Delrin that's been dyed brown. Can't say as I've ever seen this color of Winterbottom handle before.

For comparison: Here it is between a "typical" WB Delrin #51 and a genuine WB Bone Dan Burke #51

[Sharpnshinyknives]

That’s a new one for me too Q. I like it, not as well as the bone but it’s nice to see it done like that in brown.

[treefarmer]

That is an interesting color, Q.
Could it be brown delrin? When I enlarged the 1st picture and noticed the handle material around the center pin doesn't seem to show any light colored material below the pin.
The color reminds me of the brown delrin handles on some of the Case knives.
Your 2nd picture very well shows the identical molded imitation Winterbottom jigging pattern on the regular Queen 51's.
Treefarmer

[bighomer]

I got a workhorse series that's dark chocolate.

[jerryd6818]

It reads like they were having handles made in both for over 10 years, and started using Delrin in the 50’s.

SSk

Not likely since the factory where they made/make Delrin wasn't finished until 1960.

Note the name of the factory. I wonder if that is where the Winterbottom name came from since the name at the top of the sign (as always click to enlarge) is "Winterbottom.Carter & Co". "Winterbottom is a surname originating in the U.K. (Winterbottom arose in the south-east corner of Lancashire, on the Cheshire and Yorkshire borders.) so that kinda makes sense to me.

[QTCut5]

Forgot all about this thread...but, I think this 1958-60 Queen #51 belongs here since it has a genuine Winterbottom Bone handle.

[Sharpnshinyknives]

That’s the nicest old Winterbottom Queen I have seen. Very nice Q, what a great addition to the collection.

[QTCut5]

That’s the nicest old Winterbottom Queen I have seen. Very nice Q, what a great addition to the collection.

Thank you, Mark. I'm discovering that all Winterbottom is not created equal; the faux WB Delrin is often quite dull or 'flat' and generally lacks the charm, magnetism and unique 'personality' that is more characteristic of genuine WB Bone. (IMO, YMMV).

Here's another Queen with a genuine Winterbottom Bone handle (the only one in my collection that is NOT a 51 Mini Trapper pattern!)

1983 Queen 6155 "Old Pattern LockBack"

[edge213]

That’s the nicest old Winterbottom Queen I have seen. Very nice Q, what a great addition to the collection.

Thank you, Mark. I'm discovering that all Winterbottom is not created equal; the faux WB Delrin is often quite dull or 'flat' and generally lacks the charm, magnetism and unique 'personality' that is more characteristic of genuine WB Bone. (IMO, YMMV).

Here's another Queen with a genuine Winterbottom Bone handle (the only one in my collection that is NOT a 51 Mini Trapper pattern!)

1983 Queen 6155 "Old Pattern LockBack"
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Q, you've been showing some really nice winterbottom.

[Sharpnshinyknives]

That’s the nicest old Winterbottom Queen I have seen. Very nice Q, what a great addition to the collection.

Thank you, Mark. I'm discovering that all Winterbottom is not created equal; the faux WB Delrin is often quite dull or 'flat' and generally lacks the charm, magnetism and unique 'personality' that is more characteristic of genuine WB Bone. (IMO, YMMV).

Here's another Queen with a genuine Winterbottom Bone handle (the only one in my collection that is NOT a 51 Mini Trapper pattern!)

1983 Queen 6155 "Old Pattern LockBack"
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Q, You really have an eye for nice WB knives. I always envy collectors that can focus on something in particular, seems like my attention is like a butterfly sampling cup after cup.