DO YOU........................CANOE ?

[sunknife]

Thanks Phil. I put in an order on the quick release oil, have a few knives that could use some help so it will be put to good use. I let you guys know how it goes.

[QTCut5]

I'm not pleased with the action on the blades. It has that gritty opening and closing thing that I've found on a few other S&M knives I've ordered.

Schatt & Morgan knives are notorious for having a gritty walk. The strange thing is that not all S&M knives have it, but enough do that it has been mentioned frequently and commented on quite a bit on AAPK. I have pretty much come to expect it as a disappointing yet normal characteristic of S&M knives...which is why I have pretty much stopped buying them altogether. I'm actually finding Queen City knives to be much better quality. For example, this Queen City Stag Canoe has a perfectly smooth open/close action, and I just ordered a Queen City EZO Stag Barlow that I'm anxious to get in hand to see if it's as nice as my canoe.

~Q~

[Sasquach]

I've been neglecting this thread lately because I haven't acquired any new canoes. A series of unexpected expenses have kept the kitty low. My best friend Duce the dog got sick and died at the beginning of the month. The vet bills were high but they were nothing compared to the emotional cost. He was my constant companion and I'm feeling like I lost a close family member.

You guys have been posting some mighty fine canoes since I last stopped in! Keep up the show, I need the entertainment!!!

In the absence of any new acquisitions, here's a repost of my one and only custom canoe. I had this one made to my design and specifications to express my fondness for my home state.

[bighomer]

Condolences on your loss Charlie, it's a sad time for you I'm sure. Keep your chin up pal. Thats a beautiful knife by the way.

[Ivoryman]

Sorry to hear Charlie, may he RIP. Condolences to you and the family for sure.

[jmh58]

Nice canoe Charlie.. My sincere condolences in the loss of your friend.. John

[sunknife]

I posted this S&M canoe knife here a few weeks ago and asked for some advice regarding the rough and gritty action on the blades and wanted to respond with a big thank you for your help Tree farmer and Philco, I somewhat new to this and appreciate the insight.
So I soaked it in dawn dishwashing liquid, dried it with compressed air and lubed it with the quick release oil. The results are that the pull on the main blade went from a 8 to a 4, easier to open but only slightly less gritty feeling. I suppose I should have contacted the dealer when I got it a month ago and asked for an exchange but I didn't and I'l just live with that decision. Also have to say that the main blade has a good deal of play in the closed position and needs to be pushed to the side before closing the secondary blade or it will get hung up on the tip of the main blade. This has happened to me 3 times now and put a small burr and slight bend on the very tip of the main blade that I've had to remove with a fine file.
I have one other S&M knife and one Queen knife that have the same gritty feel to the blade action but several others that are fine. May be awhile before I feel like buying another S&M knife even though the good ones are very good and among my favorites.

[Drukai]

I Canoe on special occasions..Wife bought me this one when we found out our first born was going to be a girl.

[Lansky1]

I posted this S&M canoe knife here a few weeks ago and asked for some advice regarding the rough and gritty action on the blades and wanted to respond with a big thank you for your help Tree farmer and Philco, I somewhat new to this and appreciate the insight.
So I soaked it in dawn dishwashing liquid, dried it with compressed air and lubed it with the quick release oil. The results are that the pull on the main blade went from a 8 to a 4, easier to open but only slightly less gritty feeling. I suppose I should have contacted the dealer when I got it a month ago and asked for an exchange but I didn't and I'l just live with that decision. Also have to say that the main blade has a good deal of play in the closed position and needs to be pushed to the side before closing the secondary blade or it will get hung up on the tip of the main blade. This has happened to me 3 times now and put a small burr and slight bend on the very tip of the main blade that I've had to remove with a fine file.
I have one other S&M knife and one Queen knife that have the same gritty feel to the blade action but several others that are fine. May be awhile before I feel like buying another S&M knife even though the good ones are very good and among my favorites.

Sorry to hear about the issues with your S&M. I have owned a pile of them over the years, and I own NONE now. Without exception, all of them had issues bad enough that wouldn't have been acceptable for a far lesser priced Case ... for what S&M's cost, the QC just isn't there - I'll never own another one.

[Railsplitter]

I've gotten so many Queen made knives with gritty action that I now consider it a signature or trade mark of the Queen brand.

My experience is that the gritty action has more to do with poorly ground cam tangs than dirt or grime in the joints. I'm still a fan of Queen and embarrassed as I am to admit it, I've come to accept the gritty action on Queen knives that I really like otherwise.

Back to Canoes: I see that Queen has released a Schatt & Morgan Canoe with a single Sheepsfoot blade. It looks just different enough that I might have to pick one up.

[sunknife]

Great looking knife Drukal and a special one to you I'm sure since it commemorates the birth of your daughter.

Thanks for the replies Lansky and Railsplitter. Yes it may be awhile before I play the lottery with a new S&M knife purchase again. I have about 15 of them and half have issues, some have near zero snap and springs so weak an infant could open the blade, some have scales shrunk so the sharp edge of the back spring is exposed and visible, a couple have terrible blade wobble and a few have that gritty blade action that personally annoys me to no end.
Now the others I have are darn near perfect in my opinion but I feel like it is a roll of the dice to mail order one. Just wish there was a knife super store near me where I could inspect and handle each one before buying.

[Sasquach]

That's a fine looking Tidioute canoe, Drukal!!!

Here's another Looking Glass Tidioute...

[Sasquach]

I've got a couple of new ones to add. Family Brands Mint Set canoe and Vintage Prime Stag butterbean.

[philco]

That's a nice pair to draw to Charlie. I like the bolsters on both knives.

[Sasquach]

Thanks Phil.

[Drukai]

Thanks guys! Charlie what is that material on the Tidioute canoe called it looks great

[rarreola]

Rough rider carbon steel buffalo covers

[Sasquach]

Thanks guys! Charlie what is that material on the Tidioute canoe called it looks great

It's called "Looking Glass Awabi". (Awabi is another name for abalone) It is a thin layer of abalone covered by a thick layer of clear acrylic. They tint the clear acrylic with different colors for effect. GEC has done quite a few looking glass knives in different patterns. The one I posted is a Yellow Awabi Looking Glass canoe and I believe the one you posted is Pink Awabi Looking Glass. Below is a pic I shot with brighter more direct light (an LED tactical flashlight) that shows the abalone better. You can see it in your hand easy enough but it was hard to catch in a photo.

[Sasquach]

Rough rider carbon steel buffalo covers

Carbon steel and buffalo horn.......that's a very nice combination!

[Drukai]

Wow very neat will have to tryn take a pic of my knife like that! Yes mine is called pink awabi shell

[Sasquach]

Here's another new arrival just added to armada of canoes...

[Drukai]

I'm trying to acquire one of those Canal street Cannitler(sp) in trade right now. How do you like yours?

[Sasquach]

It is the first CS product that I have acquired. It's well made with quality materials. The blades, D-2 tool steel I believe, have good snap and smooth opening/closing action. The scales are bone, nicely jigged with deep rich color. So far, I like it a lot.

[philco]

Very nice find Charlie.

[Sasquach]

Thanks Phil. New canoes seem to be getting rare so I've been searching out some older ones that got away from me in the past.