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Will Knives Fold?

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I struggled a bit with where to put this and finally decided this is the catch all forum so even though this is very knife related, I guess it still belongs here.

I decided to post this because there may be some who haven't seen it and it's important to our hobby and our freedoms.

Article is from the December 2011 edition of the NRA magazine, America's 1st Freedom and the title of the article is, of course, Will Knives Fold?

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Jerry I think the information in this post is too important to remain in "off topic discussion". I'm moving it to "General Knife Discussion" and making it a sticky. Thank you for posting this and I hope everyone here at AAPK will take the time to read it and think about how important our right to carry both knives and guns are here in the U.S.A.
I'm sure that some of our members outside the U.S. would like to have the freedoms back that we still enjoy.

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Thanks for posting that Jerry, it wasn't in the American Hunter version of NRA's periodical. Seems to be well written and concise and I recommend everyone read it. ::paranoid:: ::paranoid:: ::paranoid::
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Phil, I went back and forth on whether to post it in General or Off Topic. I knew it would get more exposure in General and didn't really feel like it was "Off Topic" but decided to play it safe and post it in Off Topic. Thanks for moving it and making it a sticky. It's very important but there are too many who just can't see this side of the issue.
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Great article, Jerry. We as Americans take so much for granted. We tend to forget these rights we enjoy were won through sacrifice and blood of our forefathers. We must not become complacent but remain vigilant to ensure that the future generations get to enjoy knives like we do. Here is a link to Knife Rights http://kniferights.org

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Here is another great organization out there fighting for us. http://www.akti.org/
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Well boys, if the congress and the Kenyan don't stop it, SB 1867 is gonna pretty much make the constitution a moot point.

The senate a-holes thought SO much of the National Defense Authorization Act that they passed it 93 for to 7 against.

I guess they figure they're too highly placed to have the military take them from their homes and hold them indefinitely without a trial.
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I don't suppose it would surprise you to find out that US troops are presently training on how to remove families from their homes ON US SOIL!

Wake up fellers, spread the word.
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I reckon it's about time to invest in a hog farm. Word has it they are adept at cleaning up Unintended Consequences.

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We live and work and play under the watchful eye of the people we elect to protect and serve us. So diligent they are in their duties that they seek out threats among us that we never even perceive to be such. Here I was, this whole time, carrying in my pocket, a threat to myself and my neighbors. If anybody ever knew how dangerous I've been, I'd be locked up where I belong. :( Not trying to make a joke fellas, it's just that we mind our own business thinking that if we play fair, then we'll be treated fairly, and then you look up to see what's going on and you realize ::barf:: .
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In Australia such laws have already been passed, a knee jerk reaction to sensationalist style journalism, creating paranoia and fueling calls for radical action - which - the 'Nanny State' obliged. Mabey the government did it to get more votes, mabey a desire to dissarm the populace, mabey to protect us in our sleep, but I have never considered a 3"-4" slip joint a weapon, or even offensive. Granted, in the hands of a madman mabey, but even a stuffed teddy bear when brandished by a yelling, raving, red in the face, bleeding form the eyes lunitic could be scarey.

In Australia we don't have a Bill Of Rights but I have (and continue to) carry a pocket knife, as I have all my life, as have most of the men of my generation and those that proceeded us and I considered it a right, we should have got it on paper - you lot in America do have it on paper SO keep reminding the detractors of that and keep your rights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Steel Sahhhhhhhhhhhhhhlute Jerry!!

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Bootclad wrote: In Australia we don't have a Bill Of Rights but I have (and continue to) carry a pocket knife, as I have all my life, as have most of the men of my generation and those that proceeded us and I considered it a right, we should have got it on paper - you lot in America do have it on paper SO keep reminding the detractors of that and keep your rights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well said Boots!

"There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." --James Madison

This is where we find our selves today in the USA. Our freedoms have been slowly and painlessly taken from us under the guise of “protecting” us. That is why we have the switchblade law of the late 1950s. The politicians were incompetent to actually do something about crime; so they set up the straw man of ‘evil switchblades’ and legislated against it and outlawed them, just so they could give the impression they were ‘tough on crime.’

We need to remind the detractors and the would-be dictators that there are many of us who feel these Rights are worth fighting for.
That is why the Founding Fathers gave us the Second Amendment, so we could protect ourselves, from the government itself if necessary.


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what country am I in again?
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Gentlemen, a poem

The fair share you thought was there
may be revoked by those who dare!
For this beware! Should you not care,
forsake your rights to much dispair.
For should we need these arms to bare,
they'd have vanished into thin air.
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I live in South Africa and we have had our rights eroded constantly over the last 25 years or so - all in the name of "protection" or "improvement" or whatever. Fight with all you have - you still have the means available - your judiciary is still largely independent. Even here, we are trying to maintain that and slowly but surely we are beginning to win a few rounds against the idiotic gun and knife laws and forcing government to take another look and back off on some issues - but they just keep coming back and sometimes they take smaller bites - but in the end their aim is the same.

It's like Dale said - more damage has been done in small, innocent seeming steps than with big, violent ones. I don't know what is more scary - the fact that those we chose to represent us are turning against us or that the vast majority of people (sheeple??) are willing and content for it to happen.

Here's a thought - Heraclitus did not think much of mankind in general, but he did admire the heroic in those who were capable of it:

“Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.”
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The time of the warrior will come again - when it is necessary to stand up against those that are supposed to protect us - to take back what they have stolen from us. I sometimes fear for the world my children are inheriting.....

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Phil,

Thanks for putting a sticky on this article - I agree with you - it is something all knife lovers should read and be aware of. As a NYer, I was definitely effected by Cyrus Vance's bullspit actions, and was enraged by them. Under Vance's interpretation of the law - a swiss army knife is illegal to carry. I don't know what could be more ridiculous than that.

Every household in America has knives in it - maybe we should outlaw kitchen knives while we are at it. Forks are dangerous too. Soon all Americans will be forced to eat from baby bottles and eliminate any kind of pointy tool from all households. That's the direction this is headed in folks. These guys probably want to our teeth removed.

Holy crap do I get reved up when I think about this.

When I was a kid carrying a pocket knife was an acceptable practice - kids now a-days are forbidden to carry them. Generations will grow up thinking knives are bad because of this - I can only imagine what that will lead to.

I would continue - but I think I'm preaching to the choir here.
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I urge all of you to join Knife Rights: http://www.kniferights.org/
Knife Rights has been fighting DA Vance and NYC political machine over this issue. I am a member and I urge everyone who values his or her right to carry a knife to join. For a mere $32 per year you can help fight for knife rights across the USA! If you go to the hone page (link above) you can read about victories Knife Rights have been an important part of in Florida, Nevada and the bills to repeal the Pennsylvania and Indiana ban on switchblades.

Read about the Knife Preemption Bill signed into law by the governors of Arizona, Utah and New Hampshire. The Knife Preemption bills passed in these states; “…prevents the creation of, or eliminates, a patchwork of ordinances and rules which serve to confuse or entrap those traveling within or through the state. A person traveling in a state without preemption laws could be charged with a violation of local law when they have no intention of violating the law. Preemption ensures citizens only have to know and abide by state law.”
This is a proactive step we can all take to protect our knife rights even before they come under attack and make it much harder for Anti-Knife groups to take away our Knife Rights!

For the price of one used knife, $35, you can help protect your entire collection. If you show at knife shows, they have acrylic tabletop signs to display on your table so people will know you support our individual knife rights. Here is the link to the page to join: http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?op ... &Itemid=39


Knife Rights was instrumental in getting the Federal Switchblade Ban amended to EXCLUDE assisted-opening and one-handed opening knives. This stopped the US Customs pocketknife grab!
Read about that here: http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?op ... 8&Itemid=1


If you are a collector or just a person who likes to carry a pocketknife, I think it is in your own best interests to support Knife Rights. Even if you cannot afford the $32 to join right now, you can be aware of knife issues and use the links on their website to send messages to politicians around the USA. After all, an email does not tell a politician where you live. You can email politicians in every state. If we all stand together they cannot get our knives, or guns for that matter. However, I am convinced that if they can pass laws banning knives, they will then try for guns. When we loose those rights it is only a matter of time until we become subjects of the government and not citizens!

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Wow Im really glad I read that! I always suppose I kinda knew alot of that just never had it put into perspective and all the imfo put together kinda makes me worry.
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Thanks for sharing that Jerry. This is a protectionist culture we live in, and many of the left-leaning(or jumping, for that matter) politicians want to model the USA after the UN and the ever so successful Europeans. Hollywood really does control the mind of Americans. Unless you live out in the boonies, their influence is all around us. I urge everyone to exercise their 2nd amendment freedoms, because a right that isn't exercised will soon go away.
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Just to add to this not sure if everyone know this or not but If you obtain a domestic violence or battery conviction your rights to ANY firearm, bows, crossbows and NOW knives have came under attack. In a nutshell you basicly lose your knife rights as well and in some limited compacity the knife lenght is what sticks to you, meaning your knive collection CANNOT be of a certain lenght and limited to only folding knives NO fixed blades. Sad, Sad world that we give up these rights silently and without a good fight but its the midnight legislation that does it to us, or at least that is the rules in Wv.
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The United Kingdom has a program called "knives take lives." While over there a couple of times last year I watch half hour programs on how dangerous knives were.
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Here is an interesting article that appeared in today's St. Louis Post Dispatch. I don't know how long the link will work:
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In that case, maybe we should post the article here for posterity.



Pocket knife sales soar on renewed popularity
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CJ Buck (left), the president of Buck Knives, chats with former St. Louis football Cardinals tight end Jackie Smith at the NRA Annual Meeting and Exhibit on Saturday, April 14, 2012. Buck, the fourth generation of Bucks in the company founded in 1902, is the great-grandson of the founder of the company, H.H. Buck. Photo by Christian Gooden, cgooden@post-dispatch.com

By MICHAEL D. SORKIN msorkin@post-dispatch.com 314-340-8347

Americans are walking around with more knives in their pockets, although not for the same reasons they are rushing to buy guns.
Scouts, hunters and anglers, collectors and office workers who just want a tool for opening packages are boosting pocket knife sales. For a decade, airline safety rules and the Great Recession had cut into sales.

After the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, airplane passengers accustomed to traveling with a pocket knife found that they had to leave it in checked luggage. Even then, TSA agents sometimes confiscate a blade.

Sales now are rebounding, due partly to a growing desire for preparedness in the aftermath of disasters such as the Joplin tornado and Hurricane Sandy.

In Missouri, sales got an additional boost this year when the state legalized certain knives.

In July, Gov. Jay Nixon signed a law repealing the ban on possession, sale and manufacture of switchblade knives. A switchblade snaps open with the push of a button.

Now, just about anyone can legally own a switchblade under Missouri law. (But check with police to make sure switchblades are legal under local laws.)

After the state law change, customers flocked to stores to shop for switchblades, which had been banned for years. Some walked out with switchblades, which can cost $200 or more for top-of-the line models. Other, more frugal customers, bought less-expensive manual knives instead.

That has helped drive up sales of all types of knives by “a solid 10 to 15 percent,” said Al Rothweiler, one of the owners of Mid America Arms in south St. Louis County.

While Rothweiler also sells guns, he and others say that most knife buyers aren’t looking for a weapon.

“A knife is simply a very useful tool,” says Doug Ritter. He is founder of Knife Rights, a nonprofit he calls “the NRA for knife owners.” His organization worked with the National Rifle Association to legalize switchblades in Missouri.

“For a part of America, putting a knife in your pocket when you get up is simply a part of getting dressed,” says Ritter. “It’s like putting your keys in your pocket — it’s normal.”

WHO NEEDS 100 KNIVES?

Paul Beretta is among the most active collectors and has his own website, http://www.paulberetta.com. The retired computer programmer has more than 500 knives, mostly Spydercos. He has 70 versions of one model, the Kiwi.
“I collect knives I don’t use because they are pleasant and interesting to look at,” he explains.

He adds that, “Nobody needs a hundred shot glasses or thimbles, or a dozen beer company clocks on their wall.”

Those who claim their collections are investments are “either deluding themselves,” he says, “or just trying to placate their wife.”

Beretta is single.

Besides the beauty of design and the craftsmanship, a knife’s basic utility is what draws aficionados.

Jared Karlin, 30, a sign language interpreter in St. Louis, began collecting knives when he was about 12. He now has nearly three dozen fixed and folding blades for which he paid a total of about $5,000.

“I’m not carrying a knife as a weapon,” Karlin emphasized. “I carry it as a tool. I use it daily for some of the most mundane stuff you can imagine — from cleaning under my fingernails, to cutting open that blister pack from the big box store, to opening the mail. I’m always finding a use for it.”

He recently used his knife to help in an emergency.

He was driving with his mother in north St. Louis County and came upon a car that had crashed into an Interstate 270 barrier.

When an off-duty firefighter asked for something with which to pry open a car window, Karlin was ready. He handed over his Becker 3, a sturdy, 7-inch fixed blade used for prying doors and breaking glass. The firefighter broke open a window, cut the victim’s seat belt and pulled him from the car. The crash victim survived.

A favorite spot for collectors is GPKnives, 20 minutes from downtown St. Louis in Troy, Ill. It’s one of the few remaining brick-and-mortar stores in the U.S. where business is almost entirely in knives.

The store and its new warehouse are filled with scores of brands, including the Big Three for knife collectors: Chris Reeve, Strider and Hinderer. Prices range from $350 to more than $1,000.

Pricey collectibles sell out quickly and the store can’t keep them in stock.

“Guys who are really into knives are looking for the Holy Grail,” says co-owner and buyer Justin Payton.

Walk-in trade is a tiny part of sales today. Internet sales have taken over the knife business and account for more than 75 percent of sales at GP and other sellers.

Imports represent the other big change in the knife business. Chinese factories produce knives for as little as one-seventh the cost of American factories.

Imports allow consumers to buy modestly-priced production knives — at prices as low as $20 to $25 — based upon custom-made models costing hundreds of dollars more.

Imports also have cut deeply into the profits of U.S. manufacturers and retailers.

A.G. Russell, 79, is considered the dean of the knife business. He’s been a designer, manufacturer and retailer for 49 years and says he has watched his profit margin shrink each year.

“So what I’ve got to do is make knives of equal or better quality that sell for less money,” Russell says. “But at some point, I’ve got to raise the price.”

Russell invented a drink dispenser device before opening the A.G. Russell Knives in Rogers, Ark., “50 miles due south of Joplin.” He still has considerable walk-in business, coupled with Internet and catalog sales.

Sales, he says, are better now than at any time in five years.

“Because I think people are tired of sitting on their money and scared of what’s going to happen,” Russell adds.

That’s a common theme among knife people. They see knife sales increasing in parallel with guns.

Gun sales have jumped across the country on fears that President Barack Obama would try to restrict gun sales. He hasn’t, although the massacre of 26 people at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut has revived talk of gun control.

KNIFE CULTURE

Knife companies hark back to America’s past and often emphasize their patriotism and religion.
At Buck Knives in Post Falls, Idaho, business meetings open with a prayer. Each knife comes with literature that says: “From the beginning, management determined to make God the Senior Partner.”

At the giant National Rifle Association convention held in St. Louis last April, knife buyers lined up at the company’s exhibit, eager to have purchases autographed by CJ Buck, president of the company that bears his family’s iconic name.

The company was founded in 1902 by Buck’s great-grandfather. The Buck Model 110 has been so popular since its introduction in the 1960s that consumers sometimes call any brand of knife a “Buck.”

Buck reacted to customer criticism a few years ago by bringing back some manufacturing it had outsourced to China. Now, “Ninety to 95 percent of our new products every year are USA-made,” CJ Buck says.

Another prominent manufacturer is Spyderco, which Sal Glesser and his wife Gail started in 1976. The headquarters in Golden, Colo., sports a garrison-size, 20-foot by 30-foot American flag.

“We wanted something that would stir the spirit, not some dinky little flag,” Glesser says.

Spyderco shares royalties from one of its Sage models with research for Alzheimer’s disease. Part of the proceeds from another model go for cancer research and another goes to AIDS research. The company donates thousands of knives to soldiers and Marines stationed in Afghanistan and Iraq.

“We’re not as profit-oriented” as many companies, Glesser says. Sales, he adds, have “grown steadily” since 2005.

Most knife companies are privately owned, like Spyderco, Buck and A.G. Russell. They don’t report sales figures.

Nationally, knife sales have increased steadily for two years, says Jan Billeb, executive director of the American Knife & Tool Institute, an industry group.

She points to the estimated 37 million hunters and anglers in the U.S. as one big reason.

“If you’re going hunting,” she says, “you can’t go without a knife.”

Not everyone likes knives.

The district attorney in New York City has taken aim at pocket knives. He has filed criminal charges against some people just for possessing a folding knife that can be opened with one hand.

Ritter’s Knife Rights organization has responded with an ongoing lawsuit against the prosecutor. Ritter says the arrests were unwarranted and that none of the knives had been used for any criminal activity.

But until the suit against the prosecutor is settled, most knife manufacturers and online retailers are refusing to ship their products to dealers or customers in New York City.

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Very interesting Jerry! It is good to hear that the knife industry in the US is recovering. In my opinion there are only three places where an american pattern pocket knife should be coming from: The USA, Solingen or Sheffield!
Meanwhile knives that can be opened with a single hand are banned in Germany too but I don´t care - I´ll take a slip joint at any time!
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WOW! Great read! Thanks for sharing this important article. My dad recently gave me a switch blade. Ive been collecting knives for 30 years, "since i was 9", ive never owned a switch blade, because here in Tn. Its a big no no. I never really knew exactly why it was a no no, until now. Thanks Hollywood!! After reading this article, and other info that i have inquired over the past few years, it would not surprise me one bit if eventually we will have to show ID and have a background check in order to purchase certain knives. Thats why i support the NRA and other pro-gun/knife entities.
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