Flawed Mfg. Bone Handles. Post your "Flawed Knives"

[Old Folder]

I have had the below pictured Scout Knife for many years and have wondered about the center pin rivet error. As you can see, the pin tooling spin was double spun on both sides by mistake. It was not drilled all the way through and I assume it was not done by a computerized machine due to the knife's age.
Those of you that make and or repair knives (I do not) can most likely relate to this knife handle error.

As I was thumbing through some of my older "Knife World" magazines, (Currently called "Knife Magazine") I stumbled upon the below article located on page #2 of the June 2006 issue.
I have never seen a knife with the bone jigged in the wrong direction, if I had one though it would most certainly be a "keeper".

Do you have a manufactured flawed knife that escaped "Quality Control" you would like to share?

[OLDE CUTLER]

I can say that I have 3 that would fall into that category.
#1. Kabar muskrat that one bolster was missed when it came time to finish and sand flush. When I bought this knife, I thought I would finish it off, but I haven't yet.

#2. Bear & Son stockman that the back of the sheepsfoot blade did not get finished. Rough, just like it dropped from the stamp die.

#3. Another Bear & Son stockman, rosewood handles are cracked thru the rocker pin holes on BOTH sides.

Hey, what can you say, stuff happens!!

[jerryd6818]

I hope you don't mind. I "adjusted" your picture.

This Winchester Peanut made it out of the (Camillus?) factory with the shield askew.

This old Bulldog Doc had a little trouble with it's tang stamp.

Things just get bleary and confusing at closing time.
I reckon these were from Camillus end of days.

Unfinished

A Yello-Jaket with a 22LR6 pattern stamp

And a Camillus 72 with a Stanley SL6 pattern stamp

[glennbad]

This 34OT must have escaped the hafting room, it is complete and functional, but the springs were never ground down...

[Old Folder]

I hope you don't mind. I "adjusted" your picture.


Thanks for the picture correction Jerry.

[tallguy606]

I have a green/yellow Remington (Camillus) 2 blade knife -- Turkish clip, and long spear - model 950x (forget last number) where the backsprings, edge of liners, etc were not ground flush or polished. Still a good carrying knife. Just hard to see how that got my quality control.

[Tsar Bomba]

I have a couple factory-flawed knives only one had such damage to the bone that I managed to use it as leverage to get a better price than the seller was asking. It is perfectly functional and remains in my user pile (I have a "clean" safe queen version, too).

Center pin, both sides. This knife was made in 1989 so apparently cutlers still hadn't perfected the technology yet.

[OLDE CUTLER]

These pictures of factory flaws remind me of years ago they always said it was not a good idea to buy a new car that came off the assembly line on a Monday or a Friday. This would be before the days when robots did a lot of the boring jobs that they do now. Some of these could also be first day on the job? I think I"ll leave that lump on the bolster of my Kabar muskrat just for show.

[KnifeSlinger#81]

It seems like I may have a few knives with such issues. Then again I may not, usually those ones get moved along.

[knife7knut]

I have a few,"flawed" knives that are a mystery as to how they managed to escape. The Case scout-utility was obviously a reject:the stamp was ground off as was the shield;the bolsters were center punched and the bail cut off.The back springs are not ground and a couple of the blades require a pair of pliers to open.
The Camillus has similar problems.
The Colonial is one that totally baffles me:It was apparently given away as a promotional piece.The finish is horrible;the action of the blades as bad and the overall finish I have seen better on cheap Pakistani knives. Amazing that they stayed in business after giving something like that away.

[OLDE CUTLER]

I realized that I had 2 more that would fall under "flawed" knives, although Schrade apparently knew about these two. Both of these, 77 OT muskrat and 94 OT trapper have XX stamped over the factory tang stamps. This was apparently to signify that these two were seconds or rejects. Upon close inspection, it would appear that they were rejected because that when opened, the back of the blade does not align with the back of the spring. There is a sharp corner there on both that is unsightly and rough to the touch. Perfectly good for EDC though. I picked these two up for $10 each, like new.

[wlf]

I'd say this wasn't planned or was it.

[OLDE CUTLER]

I'd say this wasn't planned or was it.

Reminds me of some of the tattoos that people get today!!

[Outsidedogss]

I own a Case 61549L. Manufacture Date was January 13, 2000. Coincidentally, that was my 47th birthday. The handle was called "Rogers Bone". It could be disputed based upon the Bernard Levine article in Knife World (c) 1987, but there are two other issues I have with this "Copperlock" (c).

First, the tang stamp cannot be fully viewed for authentication. Steve Phieffer's "Collecting Case Knives" (c) 2009, identified a design change (c. 1979) to round the top bolster, They also changed the tang stamp in the year 2000. But one may need to disassemble the knife blade to verify. I cannot see the left-most "X" on the tang stamp.

The second issue is my "rose-colored" glasses. All these years later, I found the flawed blade, a crack on the upper side of the blade just before the clip (see photo).

Crack in Blade

[Mumbleypeg]

First, the tang stamp cannot be fully viewed for authentication. Steve Phieffer's "Collecting Case Knives" (c) 2009, identified a design change (c. 1979) to round the top bolster, They also changed the tang stamp in the year 2000. But one may need to disassemble the knife blade to verify. I cannot see the left-most "X" on the tang stamp.

The second issue is my "rose-colored" glasses. All these years later, I found the flawed blade, a crack on the upper side of the blade just before the clip (see photo).

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I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder, but I wouldn't call the "tang stamp cannot be fully viewed" to be a flaw. After all the knife was made ostensibly as a tool, not an item to be examined for date code. The Copperlock is far from the only pattern that has part of the tang stamp hidden from view by the bolster - in fact most patterns having an "extended" bolster exhibit the same characteristic. We collectors are the ones that made the date code a big deal.

As for the crack on the blade, since you have the knife in hand you'll know best about that. However from the picture it doesn't look any different than the edge of the swedge, or "false edge" that is ground on the master blade on all Copperlocks. Here's a close up picture of the same blade on another Copperlock.

Don't know if that helps you feel any better about it or not. But welcome to AAPK!

Ken

[zp4ja]

I own a Case 61549L. Manufacture Date was January 13, 2000. Coincidentally, that was my 47th birthday. The handle was called "Rogers Bone". It could be disputed based upon the Bernard Levine article in Knife World (c) 1987, but there are two other issues I have with this "Copperlock" (c).

First, the tang stamp cannot be fully viewed for authentication. Steve Phieffer's "Collecting Case Knives" (c) 2009, identified a design change (c. 1979) to round the top bolster, They also changed the tang stamp in the year 2000. But one may need to disassemble the knife blade to verify. I cannot see the left-most "X" on the tang stamp.

The second issue is my "rose-colored" glasses. All these years later, I found the flawed blade, a crack on the upper side of the blade just before the clip (see photo).

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As far as posted knife, blade crack very odd. Never seen one on a CASE knife. Obviously it happens as your knife shows. That said, I believe you may be confusing the Copperhead and the Copperlock. Your nice knife is a Copperlock, first produced in 1996 if I recall correctly. Copperhead although similar is a different animal as far as years of manufacture.

I have one to add to this topic. I have a CASE 52 pattern 4 blade Congress totally mint and never sharpened from the factory.

Jerry

[Berryb]

I have this buck 313 that was shipped with an un-sharpened main blade. It's as dull as a butter knife.
Bruce

[Old Folder]

My "Double Stamped" Cattarougus stag fixed blade with sheath.

[Tsar Bomba]

This old Voos jack was given some amateur "fluting" high on the bone (which otherwise has a remarkably crisp Rogers-style jigging) by a previous owner. It's not haphazard or crooked, however, so it doesn't significantly detract from the aesthetics of the bone. Judging by the wear on the grooves, they were added to the knife a while back and have become part of its history by now. This knife went into my user pile immediately and it's one of my favorites. The knife is so solid that I didn't even notice the end pin crack until I zoomed in on the pic.