I hope no one here bought this....

[Miller Bro's]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-RARE-M ... 7675.l2557

Seller's Description:

Up for consideration is a Vintage RARE Miller Bros Cut Co Meriden 2 Blade Bone Handle Large Folding Jack Knife. This is in very good unsharpened pre-owned vintage condition with some light scratches. Please let photos help determine overall condition for they are also part of the description. Thanks and Good Luck!!!

The entire knife is counterfeit, not even close to an original

Sold for $253.50

[Berryb]

Ok, I'll bite. How do you know?

[KnifeSlinger#81]

Yikes. That's an unsightly thing.

[Mumbleypeg]

I like the shield though!

Ken

[TripleF]

Ok, I did.....can't wait for it to arrive....

jk

As I've said before, you can't call it a fake and not tell us why.....but sooooooooooooooooo many do.

[philco]

I like the shield though!

Ken

I'm not positive but I think that shield is of Rough Rider linage; perhaps the frame as well.

[kennedy knives]

Where are the Screws . everyone that I have seen has screws in the handles

[Gunsil]

Kennedy, many Miller Bros do not have screws retaining the scales. I have a few and have had many, and I assure you they are and were all correct knives. The absence of screws is not an indication of an improper or fake Miller Bros knife.

[kootenay joe]

Miller Bros. used pins as well as screws for attaching handles.
Look at the picture showing knife with blades open. The knife will give you the message that it is not old and 'not right'. Now find an old jack knife that you know is all original vintage. You won't get any message of 'not old' and 'not right'.
With totally fake knives you do not have to know 'the details' to know it is fake. After you have looked at a few thousand knives your intuition will guide you and be right 99% of the time.
With well done fakes you do need to know the details well to assess the knife.
kj

[peanut740]

Gary,Has Gunsil and Joe have said.I think more Miller Brothers will have pins than screws.That being said the OP knife is an across the room fake.

[Gunsil]

Dmitri is the expert on these, but TripleF I'll give you a couple of good "tells" on this knife. The blades do not look like blades on an old knife, they have no top grinds or as some say "swedges". The tang stamps are wrong, never seen a real Miller Bros where the whole stamp looks depressed into the blade, the tang should have a flat surface with the letters neatly stamped in without distorting the flatness of the tang. Lettering of the stamp too wide (each letter is wider than a real mark). The bone jigging is not typical of a Millers product. I have seen the oak leaf shield on a Kutmaster but never a Millers but the blades, stamp, and bone would have me shy away long before I contemplated the the shield. KJ is right when he says this knife yells from across the room that there is a problem here. I am AMAZED at how much it sold for, but as PT Barnum once said "there's a sucker born every minute". I do hate to see other collectors get burned, ebay was a much nicer site when members could actually contact each other and warn folks who were bidding on fakes or altered collectibles including knives.

[RalphAlsip]

These pictures support the comments that have been made earlier.

[Steve Warden]

Now there's an education! Thanks Ralph!!

[danno50]

What Steve said, Ralph! You do a very nice job of putting together those comparison photos and annotating them.
Dan

[Miller Bro's]

Gene covered the bases very well

Here's another one that sold several years ago and I saved the picture, notice the same shield, pattern and jigged bone, same deal, a total fake, never seen the inside of the Miller Bro's factory. Like the OP knife this one sold for a couple hundred dollars! I don't know who made them and exactly when but I first started seeing them come on the market around 1998, so 20 years have gone by already.

Be careful out there when buying, when in doubt ask questions before you buy anything

[Miller Bro's]

Here we go again

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Miller ... 1438.l2649

Closed length is 4 inches. Nice bone handles with no cracks. Master clip with secondary blades being a spay and a punch. All blades are marked. All blades walk and talk and are tight. Knife looks to have been cleaned by a previous owner. Nice solid knife. Any questions please ask.

Sold for $177.50

[olderdogs1]

$20.00 would have been too much for that one

Tom

[peanut740]

Someone made a stinker out of a decent old knife.

[wlf]

She`s buffy.

[RobesonsRme.com]

Dimitri can correct me if I'm wrong. He usually does.

I think Miller Brothers made a series of plug tobacco knives and one of them had a similar oak leaf shield on it. The knives are highly prized and desirable, but extensively faked. You will see more fake tobacco knives on Ebay than real ones.

I only think this because I used to search Ebay for MB knives on Dimitri's behalf and alert him to the auctions. About half the time, he schooled me on why a knife was not right.

Charlie

[Miller Bro's]

Here's another FAKE

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Collectors-Kni ... 0278.m3478

BIN $399.95

Sellers description:

This knife is in great condition for the age.

Snap is great both opening and closing, with a great half stop.
Blades show no wobble
Handles are in great condition, FREE from cracks and chips
Blades show light wear. Blades are shiny, with only a few small spots of discoloration.

Brand: Miller Brothers

Style: Coke Bottle

Handle Material: BONE

Features: Double pen blades, brass liner, fancy coffin bolsters, nickel silver crest shield

Tang Stamp Production Date: Approximately 1863-1926

Closed length: 3-1/2"
I have a huge assortment of knives that are perfect for collectors. Just search through my other listings; there is something for everyone!
My eBay store makes it easy to find what you're looking for, you can search by brand, or by knife type.

Another one of those Winchester black box specials

[Pile Driver]

Looks like one of those black box Queen made Winchester coffin Jacks from the 90s

I wish I knew more about knives, I've been burned for hundreds on bad knives because I primarily buy on eBay although I've really scaled that way back. Trying to focus on quality than quantity and doing my due diligence


EDIT: Lol didn't see your last line there. I gathered that on my own.

[kootenay joe]

Whaddya mean Fake ! I got me here one of them Miller Bros knives just like that one. So it's gotta be real !
kj

[gsmith7158]

Whaddya mean Fake ! I got me here one of them Miller Bros knives just like that one. So it's gotta be real !
kj

Roland behave!

[kootenay joe]

O.K.
I bought this on ebay for about $20 knowing it is a fake. Ignore the markings and it becomes quite a well made knife with 'just right' W & T , no blade play and edges sharp enough to cut with ease.
I wonder how many of these the faker created ?
kj