Does the Case Tested bone have jigging like this?

[KleenCut61]

Thank ya Kindley Harold .. Wasn't Sure , It has a Special Shield For Tested XX Though Correct ? > Which There aren't Many Good Examples On Web . Sept in Books I Have .. I Love a Cleen Shield . Older The Better On Anything ...lol KC

[jlw257]

Tested XX 6380 should look like this

Hate to say it...but this one is fake too.

Yesterday I added a picture in this thread of a Tested XX 6380 Whittler Knife that has been in my collection for a year. I wanted to show what a real Tested 6380 looks like.

I was floored when Knifeaholic said it was a “fake too”. I PM him about his comment. I haven’t heard back. I would like to hear his reasons.

The knife has a lot of history and is well documented. I purchased the knife from a private collector who had it for years, it is also featured in Jim Sargents Knives & Razors 7 th Edition on page 268.

[CANTHOK]

Steve is right--examine the big model 6380 brown bone whittler very carefully-pay close attention to detail.--blades--jigging--shield...size....

[espn77]

I disagree. Jmo

[RalphAlsip]

Steve is right--examine the big model 6380 brown bone whittler very carefully-pay close attention to detail.--blades--jigging--shield...size....

CANTHOK, are you referring to the 1st knife posted or the 2nd knife posted?

[gsmith7158]

If Larry's knife is a fake then I for one would have been fooled

[CANTHOK]

The second knife

[XxTestedxX]

I like the Greenbone tested..

You can see the bolsters have indents on edges that match into the jigging, always noticed that with authentic tested bone. Pin work seems in spot, accurate shield, familiar color/jigs. Clean shoulders and nice finish.

A lot of respectable opinions, but that's what we are here for. For larrys sake.. I hope it's just that. Authentic

I have a lot to learn, I have seen cobble knives which appeared to be comprised of all mint case parts, in Most cases... Made with dotted frames and xx blades.. Real well done, but they always miss one giveaway..

I'd like to know why this knife is suspect to some

[Billswfl]

I have no opinion on the knife as I'm not an expert. It sure looked good to me, they all do. Here is an old thread from 2006 viewtopic.php?t=1967

[RalphAlsip]

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the first 6380 posted in this thread is not a Case Tested XX 6380 - it is clearly not authentic.

I don't see any obvious reasons to doubt the second 6380. However, I recognize that I don't know all of the things to look for that would indicate problems. I know in Mr. Pfeiffer's book it is written that the 80 split back whittler pattern was introduced in the Case XX era. In Mr. Sargent's book there are references to the Case Tested XX 6380 with Rogers bone and Green bone. So there is ambiguity with regard to whether Case made the 6380 in the Tested era.

In pictures below I have dissected the first 6380 posted, the second 6380 posted, and a Case XX red bone 6380. None of these are my knives - I don't own any version of a 6380. I do enjoy increasing my knowledge and would welcome specific comments about what is invalid with the second Case Tested XX 6380 that has been posted in this thread. Comments saying that it doesn't look right or examine it closely are not educational toward increasing anyone's knowledge of reading knives.

The third picture has red markings highlighting the areas that give me heartburn on the first 6380 posted. I included this picture because I want to provide the basis for why I am questioning the authenticity of the first 6380.

Also included in the pictures below is a collage of 9 snippets of Case Tested XX Green bone from 9 different Tested knives. One of the snippets was taken from the second 6380 where the jigging has been called into question. None of the snippets match exactly to any of the others, and I guess all 9 of the knives represented could be inauthentic, but I don't really see anything strikingly different in the jigging.

[Bamarick]

As stated in earlier posts, it is hard to really "examine" a knife just from photos. I agree with everyone who has posted that the first knife is definitely a complete fake. On my first glance at the second knife nothing jumped out to me as questionable. Then after Steve posted and Ralph posted the new photos I took another look. I'm not saying there is definitely anything wrong with the second knife. Here are some things I'd question without being able as Steve said to "have the knife in hand." First, looking at the lower bolster I see evidence that says the knife may have been taken apart. Looking at the backspring in the photos Ralph posted you can see discoloration and normal patina that you'd expect from a Tested knife or any knife with that much age. I do not see the same on the tangs of the blades. The coping blade looks a lot like stainless steel. That would also be a problem. I'd also like a closer look at the stamp on the main blade. Again, I'm certainly no expert and I'm in no way saying that the second knife is not authentic. I'm just giving my opinion on some things I see that might not even be relevant. I would also like to have Steve give a few comments from his perspective as to his concerns about the second knife. This is how we learn and like everyone else I'm here to learn as much as possible.

Ricky

[just bob]

Thank you for taking the time to post that. It's a good reason why coming to this site is so rewarding. If you're willing to spend the time you can gain a lot of knowledge here -for free. Also brings to mind the reason I seldom buy a Case Tested knife. They cost a lot of money and for a novice like me you can get badly fooled. Another thing that is good to consider here is how hard it is for ebay to determine if an older knife is actually counterfeit. If experts can disagree when high resolution pictures of the knife are examined then an ebay employee would be left scratching their heads. Proof of a knife being a knock off can be established with 100% certainty, but that is not always the case with a counterfeit knife. Again thank you for taking the time to post these pictures. You efforts are appreciated.

[Jdub]

I am by far no expert. Knife looks legit to me. I’d like to know what characteristics makes it a counterfeit??

[RalphAlsip]

Larry asked me if I would take some pictures of his Case XX Tested 6380 and post them here and I agreed. I cropped these pictures but left them as very high resolution. The good news is they will enlarge to simulate using a high powered loupe. The bad news is the file size is large and the pictures will be slow to download. I felt like I should retain the resolution so folks would be able to evaluate the knife as best as possible from a photograph. Please let me know if you want to view the pictures but have trouble and I will reduce the resolution and resulting file size.

After handling the knife while taking pictures nothing obviously wrong jumps out to me. I am not a knife appraiser and I am not a "guru" level knife expert. I do have a decent size old Case collection and have handled several hundred old (supposedly) Case knives.

Enjoy the pictures.

[RalphAlsip]

A few more pictures of Larry's 6380.

[Jdub]

Looks right to me. Great pictures..

[Old Case]

How could anyone call this knife a fake. I would like to know the reason.
If it a fake, then all the old Case knives I’ve seen are in question.

Thank you Ralph for the great pictures



Joel

[RalphAlsip]

Just to be clear, I'm not looking to get into a debate and I'm not calling anyone's opinion wrong and I'm not trying to stifle anyone's opinion. I'm a Case collector and want to be as knowledgeable as possible on what to look for in determining authenticity and condition.

A big "you're welcome" back to the folks who have expressed appreciation for the pictures. Taking the pictures and cropping them is enjoyable and relaxing for me.

[toolboy]

Thank you Ralph for the great pictures, they sure show food for thought
The 1941 Case catalog or price sheet has no mention of a 6380 pattern
The Case 1942 price sheet does not mention the 6380 pattern
The Case 1949 price list does include the 6380 pattern

[Jdub]

Pocket knife Traders price Guide Vol.(9) 2010

[1967redrider]

The original posted knife has what I call "alligator jigging," a great example of what Case did NOT do.

[98src]

Hi folks. Just found out about AAPK site and started reading the forums. This topic caught my eye as I have collected CASE TESTED knives for years. The original post concerning the 6380 knife caught my attention. It is a FAKE as many others have already stated and the jigging is the most obvious reason. It just ain't CASE jigging from any era. However, there are other reasons: 1) the blades are made of stainless steel and 2) the dimensions of the knife are different from a real one. There are other patterns that have been faked. I have personally seen an '88 and a '65 and they have the same jigging as the knife in question ( and stainless blades).

[OLDE CUTLER]

Like many others who have been following this thread on these two knives that have been pictured, I have been reading the posts and looking at the pictures with great interest. I DO NOT own or collect Case Tested knives and my knowledge of them is very limited. However like a lot of people on AAPK I read things such as this to learn something on the subject. I feel it is too bad that the two individuals at odds here have had a disagreement on the authenticity of one of the knives and hope they can work out their differences and find a peaceful solution to them. There are a couple of things that have been mentioned about the knives in question that I don't understand. From the photos only is it possible to determine that the blades on a knife are stainless steel (without seeing a SS stamping obviously) and how is it determined that the dimensions are not correct from photos only? Hopefully there will be a future post that this has been discussed and resolved by the parties involved.

[jlw257]

We can disagree about these knives, and have good discussions.
I’m not at odds with anyone, and have move on.
We need to let this go.