How does ebay let fakes sell ???
Re: How does ebay let fakes sell ???
What is the situation in Europe and elsewhere? Has China flooded those markets with knock off knives as well? Has any country halted the flow? The sheer number of China knives in the USA is staggering. Here in Podunk, Indiana you can't go to an auction or flea market without seeing scads of them. They don't bring much and sometimes you wonder how anyone can make a new knife, put it in a box, export it thousands of miles and sell it for a quarter? There was discussion at the last knife club meeting that the Rough Rider knife is becoming collectable - heaven help us.
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I agree up to one point... China didn't put Schrade out of business, Management, American workers, and American suppliers did!supratentorial wrote:Freezing all imports from China would freeze Spyderco's legitimate products as well as the knock offs. It would also freeze imports of computers, clothing, etc. We have become so dependent on manufacturing in China that a freeze would hurt the US more than China.RobesonsRme.com wrote:The president and federal government could clean this up in a week.
Trump to Xi, "Hey Xi, my friend. Just a quick call. Don't have time to chat nor argue. Just to let you know, I'm going to freeze all Chinese imports into our great country and they will stay frozen until you and your government put a stop to all this counterfeiting of our quality American products by your people. Call me when you have it under control."
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Noone would make fakes if people didn't buy them. And US companies would keep manufacturing in the USA if people didn't buy imports. In our little hobby, it would seem that support for the American cutlery tradition should be a given. But it's not. Look at the support for Rough Rider et al here and elsewhere on the internet. Low price imports put Schrade out of business and now the Schrade name is stamped on the imports that put them out of business. You'd think that would make folks angry. But instead you get attacked if you don't praise the cheap imports. Consumers are driving the production of knock offs and off shore manufacturing.
Schrade could not afford to stay in business and make a profit. This had nothing to do with any other country but our own..
If your idea were correct then Case, Gerber, and all of the others would be gone as well. Bottom line is America created Americas manufacturing problems. No one else did.
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I am worried about the few companies still manufacturing knives in the USA. CSC is gone. I suspect Queen is at risk. I'd hate to see them go under and become another name stamped on imports like Schrade. On another forum, Case regularly gets beaten down in nearly every discussion about Rough Rider. The descriptions of the RR knives is inflated and faults get dismissed because they are cheap. You'd think people were describing $100 knives instead of the knife equivalent of costume jewelry made by Rough Rider.
Foreign competition is widely believed to have contributed to the demise of Schrade. Foreign competition is not a new problem. 100+ years ago, it was competition with England and Germany. Tariffs are the only reason that the American cutlery industry survived. If you are a history buff and haven't read them yet, I recommend downloading the hearings. Very interesting history and it's fun to read actual dialog from some of the most famous names in US cutlery history. Some fun facts too... like they used the acronym "PMS" for polished mark side --hahaha. I think the full text can be found on Google Books.
Foreign competition is widely believed to have contributed to the demise of Schrade. Foreign competition is not a new problem. 100+ years ago, it was competition with England and Germany. Tariffs are the only reason that the American cutlery industry survived. If you are a history buff and haven't read them yet, I recommend downloading the hearings. Very interesting history and it's fun to read actual dialog from some of the most famous names in US cutlery history. Some fun facts too... like they used the acronym "PMS" for polished mark side --hahaha. I think the full text can be found on Google Books.
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Re: How does ebay let fakes sell ???
As a long time eBay seller, I know from experience eBay will remove listings that are fake if you report it. I've had lawyers from Boker Spyderpco, Case, Zippo just to name a few actually report items to eBay and also email or call me to say someone had reported a fake even if it was listed as a clone. I've been selling on eBay for over 17 years ,it sure has changed some better some worse. Kinda like a flea market on your computer. The lack of being able to hold the knife in your hand is the biggest drawback to eBay.BTW a Great Website and forums.
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Wish it was that simple. My experience does not agree. I have reported one particular eBay seller numerous times for listing obvious fakes. Not clones. The seller is a prolific eBay seller who continually shows up here on AAPK in the "Counterfeit" subforum. I have yet to receive any response whatsoever from eBay, nor have any of the reported listings been removed or altered.EagleEyeTwo wrote:As a long time eBay seller, I know from experience eBay will remove listings that are fake if you report it.
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You have to stay after them in that instance or call the company that is being copied and their lawyers will take care of it.
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I think there is a huge difference between knock offs and counterfeits and in this forum they are treated as the same. I was channel surfing the other day and happened upon this program about knock offs on Nat Geo. They don't specifically focus on knives but show the lengths Chinese manufactures go to in order to get their products into the USA and the ways the various agencies are working to stop them. An hour well spent. Maybe you can watch it from this link or get more information. If you have Comcast I'm sure it's on demand.
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/u ... 1-2091360/
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/u ... 1-2091360/
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I thought this caption was interesting. The street is more honest than Ebay! "These watches will either be sold on the streets as fake watches or sold on ebay as the real thing."just bob wrote:I think there is a huge difference between knock offs and counterfeits and in this forum they are treated as the same. I was channel surfing the other day and happened upon this program about knock offs on Nat Geo. They don't specifically focus on knives but show the lengths Chinese manufactures go to in order to get their products into the USA and the ways the various agencies are working to stop them. An hour well spent. Maybe you can watch it from this link or get more information. If you have Comcast I'm sure it's on demand.
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/u ... 1-2091360/
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Excellent point. I've posted about this before on another thread. Unless things have changed in the past 10 years or so many Asian countries (China, Korea, and others) have no copyright or patent laws and do not recognize, nor do they enforce, those of other countries. And they are masters at reverse engineering and copying, at least cosmetically, everything from electronics to consumer fashion goods. In major Asian cities you will find a flea market or bazaar-style marketplace, usually called the "Chinese Market", where knock-off goods are sold. Everything from famous branded clothing like Nautica, North Face, Columbia and Guess, to Coach and Dooney & Burke purses, and name-brand "Swiss" watches. Knock-off DVDs of first-run Hollywood movies (sometimes simultaneous with or before their U.S. theatrical release) and knock-off CDs by major musical artists. It is an industry there.supratentorial wrote:I thought this caption was interesting. The street is more honest than Ebay! "These watches will either be sold on the streets as fake watches or sold on ebay as the real thing."just bob wrote:I think there is a huge difference between knock offs and counterfeits and in this forum they are treated as the same. I was channel surfing the other day and happened upon this program about knock offs on Nat Geo. They don't specifically focus on knives but show the lengths Chinese manufactures go to in order to get their products into the USA and the ways the various agencies are working to stop them. An hour well spent. Maybe you can watch it from this link or get more information. If you have Comcast I'm sure it's on demand.
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/u ... 1-2091360/
In general the merchandise looks good cosmetically but the actual quality is poor. The clothing is made of inferior quality, light weight materials. The leather goods will fade or the color rub off quickly. If you're lucky the watches may work for a month or two before quitting and the micro-thin plating will begin rubbing off in a few days (but you bought a "Rolex" for $25).
But at those same markets if you want to spend more you can get similar goods made with higher quality materials. Still knock-off goods but more likely to fool an unsuspecting buyer. For $100 you can get a "Rolex" with heavier plating and a reject Rado movement that might last a year before quitting. It will fool most anyone but a watch-maker.
The difference between that and eBay is the sellers they make no pretense that their merchandise is authentic. The buyers know full well they are buying knock-offs. But in neither case does the legitimate company get any return on their investments in R&D, intellectual property, or advertising.
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Re: How does ebay let fakes sell ???
Look at it this way... 1000 people in a room, 400 of them are honest God fearing people, 200 are honest but hey, there's a fiver on the floor. 200 more try to be honest but take supplies home from work, almost daily. 150 are liars, 50 are thieves.
The numbers are wrong but the concept is correct. Now put 7 billion people in this example. (not the room )
Counterfeiting has been a human condition since man first thought of possessions or the concept of MINE vs OURS.
The problem is not the trinket but the species.
Do you know the joke where a fella is asked "What is your worst trait?"...
Fella says "I'm honest to a fault!"
First guy says... "I don't think that is a bad trait!"
Fella says "I really don't care what you think"
People are the problem. Not all of us but enough of us.
The numbers are wrong but the concept is correct. Now put 7 billion people in this example. (not the room )
Counterfeiting has been a human condition since man first thought of possessions or the concept of MINE vs OURS.
The problem is not the trinket but the species.
Do you know the joke where a fella is asked "What is your worst trait?"...
Fella says "I'm honest to a fault!"
First guy says... "I don't think that is a bad trait!"
Fella says "I really don't care what you think"
People are the problem. Not all of us but enough of us.
Ken Mc.
WTB Kershaw 2120 MACHO Lockback Parts knife
I need a pile side scale. THX!
WTB Kershaw 2120 MACHO Lockback Parts knife
I need a pile side scale. THX!
Re: How does ebay let fakes sell ???
I notified e-bay about a fake Case 31095 pattern Fishing knife and they thanked me and politely asked me to not bug them anymore about it, that they would deal with the matter in due time. They said if I contacted them again it would only add to the time it would take for them to resolve the matter. In other words, chances are slim they are gonna deal with it at all. Nobody's gonna buy the knife anyway for the price this tool is selling it for. It does bug me a bit that anybody would spend 200.00 dollars worth of labor faking a knife that you can get for under $50.00 mint. I was thinking though that if AAPK members bombarded the fakers with messages calling them out and telling them that they were being scorned and mocked a legit and popular forum they would be shamed into pulling the fake. Just a thought.