The Gall Of Some People

[jerryd6818]

I'd like to think they are knife ignorant but I can't find any excuses to make for this seller.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Great-Eastern-C ... 2564634599

How is this listing wrong? Let me count the ways.................

1) To my knowledge, GEC has yet to make this pattern.
2) No GEC tang stamp.
3) No GEC pattern stamp.
3.5) No stamps at all.
4) Solingen steel?? Really? (in "Item specifics" listed as Brand)
5) Not a GEC shield I've seen used.

I'm thinkin' what? Paki Stan's work? He's gettin' a little better all the time ya know.

[KnifeSlinger#81]

I feel urged to write them an irritated message about everything that's wrong here.

[bestgear]

I was lost when he/she misspelled Cutlery in the title of the auction.....all downhill from there for me

[dcgm4]

Some people... There are no words.

I reported the listing to eBay. Whether they take any action...

[gsmith7158]

If he would replace Great with Far everything would be fine and dandy!

[bestgear]

[dcgm4]

I looked at his other listings. He has the same exact knife listed in another auction as a Case XX! Either this guy's an idiot or he thinks everyone else is.

On the plus side, the "Case XX" is $10 cheaper than the "GEC." Just thought I'd let you all know in case you wanted to bid.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Case-XX-Knife/3 ... 2307187243

[KnifeSlinger#81]

Either this guy's an idiot or he thinks everyone else is.

I think this person knows EXACTLY what they are doing, a shyster.

[knifeaholic]

Knife looks like a Queen #2 jack but no markings.

[jerryd6818]

Looks like a Paki Stan special to me. No marks anywhere.

[KnifeSlinger#81]

Looks like a Paki Stan special to me. No marks anywhere.

That bone doesn't look like any queen I've ever seen. However I'm no expert.

[gsmith7158]

Check out this Union razor knife he has up for bid. Now that's pocket ripper if there ever was one.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Union-Razor-Blade ... Ciid%253A2

[supratentorial]

I don't know the seller but I suspect it is a mistake. He listed it twice under different brands. He has barely any description in each of the listings and huge amount of policy pasted into each one. Doesn't appear to care much.

Check out this Union razor knife he has up for bid. Now that's pocket ripper if there ever was one.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Union-Razor-Blade ... Ciid%253A2

It was made by Canal Street Cutlery. AG Russell sold them. 14-4 CR MO Steel

[dweb1897]

I agree..that bone on the Razor is the Rope Jigged blue bone like Schrade used for one of their 100 anniversary sets...Didn't know they were made for AG Russell...thanks for that info

[TripleF]

Pure craziness.....

[SolWarrior]

Jerry, I saw the listing and several others. I sent him a message just now:

"This is not a question but a notification. Your "great eastern cuttlery" knife is a fake. All GEC knives are stamped and there's no resemblance to the real thing. You have the same exact fake knife listed as a Case XX. In fact, you have several fraudulent listings and you know it. You're a shyster and will be reported to eBay."

I reported him for the GEC & the Case XX but he has several more fraudulent listings. If anyone wants to report the others "that would be greaaaat." (Lundberg from the movie Office Space)

I got a reply:

"go blow your self im a gun guy i know nothing about knifes thank you . im going off what the knife said thank you so before you call me a shyster maybe next time ask cause i would rather know if i listed it wrong than sell it as some thing else hope you have a great day

- joe.jost.vfhy3x"

My reply:

"Well how favorable... for you. The knife says nothing. Not GEC nor Case XX. Unless you can hear it talking to you. In which case I would seek help."

Edit: I received one last reply from him: "thanks for the info i will look in to them" With that, I now feel some remorse for my approach. Would it have sunk in if I had asked him politely? My gut feeling is that he would have ignored my message and left it as is but I'll never know for sure.

[terryl308]

Jerry, I saw the listing and several others. I sent him a message just now:

"This is not a question but a notification. Your "great eastern cuttlery" knife is a fake. All GEC knives are stamped and there's no resemblance to the real thing. You have the same exact fake knife listed as a Case XX. In fact, you have several fraudulent listings and you know it. You're a shyster and will be reported to eBay."

I reported him for the GEC & the Case XX but he has several more fraudulent listings. If anyone wants to report the others "that would be greaaaat." (Lundberg from the movie Office Space)

I got a reply:

"go blow your self im a gun guy i know nothing about knifes thank you . im going off what the knife said thank you so before you call me a shyster maybe next time ask cause i would rather know if i listed it wrong than sell it as some thing else hope you have a great day

- joe.jost.vfhy3x"

My reply:

"Well how favorable... for you. The knife says nothing. Not GEC nor Case XX. Unless you can hear it talking to you. In which case I would seek help."

Wow, talking knives! and the plural for Knife is Knifes? I always thought it was knives. What a dumb a--! Terry

[Tsar Bomba]

He was clearly enough of a "knife guy" to fish the name "GEC" out of somewhere when he posted that listing..

[dcgm4]

Edit: I received one last reply from him: "thanks for the info i will look in to them" With that, I now feel some remorse for my approach. Would it have sunk in if I had asked him politely? My gut feeling is that he would have ignored my message and left it as is but I'll never know for sure.

I wouldn't worry about it. If he was serious about looking into the knife he would've pulled the auctions, which as of this moment he hasn't even though he has one knife in two different listings. I think he's just saying that to appease you. I doubt he'll do any research at all.

[SolWarrior]

He was clearly enough of a "knife guy" to fish the name "GEC" out of somewhere when he posted that listing..

I wouldn't worry about it. If he was serious about looking into the knife he would've pulled the auctions, which as of this moment he hasn't even though he has one knife in two different listings. I think he's just saying that to appease you. I doubt he'll do any research at all.

Thanks for your response, Tony & dcgm4 . As it turns out you're both right. Here's yet another reply. This time it came from the owner of the eBay acct. himself.

"I am the owner of this account and I see you are saying I have questionable items. I will admit I am not a knife person but I have learned in 40 of the firearms business with one of the biggest and most reputable stores in Kansas. that there are words 'always and never' spoken as it is a voice of a idiot. These knives were bought from an estate and I had a local "expert" who has most likely seen and owned more knives that you ever will. He had no problem of any of these and he as well priced them to sell. I would be very careful on who you call a syster and one of being dishonest. If anyone who knows knives one can see they are priced very reasonable and to move. It now come to this. If you want an item bid on it..If not do not simple as that."

I just cannot hold back so I had to counter...again:

R-e-a-d carefully and look for the words you mentioned as words of an idiot. I didn't use them but if I did they wouldn't be incorrect, not in this case. How can the same exact type knife be listed as GEC & CASE XX and consider this an "expert" description? Whether they're priced reasonably or not is a matter of opinion. However, your knives are not stamped at all and THAT is a fact. Any reputable knife cutlery from the U.S. of A. stamps their knives as such and with their brand name as well.

This is basic practice in the knife industry. Do your guns made in the U.S. come unmarked straight from their manufacturers like Colt or Smith & Wesson? The answer is an emphatic and resounding NO. Reputable? Not with these listings. Do not list things that are bogus and blatantly name them as you or your "expert" see fit simply to make a buck from hard working honest people whether out of ignorance or to deceive, period.

Your knives have been reported as fraudulent, whether eBay takes the time to enforce fair and honest trading practices is up to them. But you, sir, do not have a leg to stand on with regards to this matter so take your lecture on "reputable" business practices eslewhere.

[Colonel26]

Good on ya. I smelled the distinct smell of the barnyard as I read his reply.

[dcgm4]

Looks like he uploaded different pictures to the Case XX listing, so he no longer has the same knife in two listings. But he still has the unmarked knife listed as a GEC. It sucks that eBay doesn't do anything to stop sellers like this.

[Tsar Bomba]

Felix, I imagine this is one of those situations where you just have to remind yourself that you can't fix stupid. Good for you for trying once more, at least!

Good on ya. I smelled the distinct smell of the barnyard as I read his reply.

You've got a way with words, Colonel!

[Mumbleypeg]

Just finished reading this thread and would like to make a couple of comments. Having dealt with people for many years as both a salesman and as a customer, an employee and a supervisor, a management consultant/coach, and being a parent, has taught me to avoid personal accusations. It's human nature to respond defensively and negatively to personal attack.

I have cordially communicated to several eBay sellers that the knife they had listed was not an authentic (fill in the blank), including why the knife was not authentic. In every case I have limited the message to discussion of the knife. Never would I remotely infer the seller is dishonest. This approach usually results in a thank you response from the seller and a respectful and cordial dialog regarding the knife. In many cases the seller has either revised the listing to indicate there are questions about the knife's authenticity, or the seller has removed the listing. Occasionally I've received a thank you but no other response and no changes to the listing. I don't waste any further time on those listings other than to highlight it here in the counterfeits forum.

It's unlikely any seller, honest or dishonest, will react favorably to being called dishonest so I just don't go there. Drop it and walk away. Some eBay sellers who list knives sell them as part of many other items. Their knowledge of knives is poor, especilly as compared to most who frequent AAPK. If approached in a helpful, congenial and non-confrontational manner they'll do the right thing.

There's obviously a few shysters though.

Just my personal experiences.

Ken

[jerryd6818]

You are spot on, Ken. People are wired to respond to confrontation with confrontation, so I do much the same, with much the same results. If the seller has 100% positive feed back, I open the message with "In an attempt to help preserve your 100% positive feedback, you should know....." and go on to tell them what is wrong with the listing. Most of the time the response is positive, sometimes neutral (simply a response of "Thank you") but I have received a few "either bid or mind your own business", always from a seller with less than 100% positive feedback. That last response raises my hackles but I try to consider the source and move on. Just the way I do it. Your mileage may vary.