REMINGTON R1173

olderdogs1 · Post by **olderdogs1** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:57 pm

Got this one in a collection. Remington is not my area of expertise. I am posting this one to get opinions from the folks who know Remington. The blades look ok although as I said, not my area. Handles look two new to me. Pins are peened on handles. Shield is pinned as well. Opinions please. Not going to sell it of course if it is counterfeit which I suspect it is.

Tom

Bamarick · Post by **Bamarick** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:17 pm

I'm not a Remington expert either, but I do own several older ones and have handled quite a few more over the years. I'd say you're correct in your assessment. It looks to have been re-handled at the least.
Ricky

MrBlister · Post by **MrBlister** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:55 pm

TOM.. can ya add a bullet pic shot from straight ON . . looks a lill short but
the pic provided may be distorting it

gimme a HET PIC !!

peanut740 · Post by **peanut740** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:37 pm

Bone looks too red and really crisp for the amount of wear on the blades and pitting on the tangs.

olderdogs1 · Post by **olderdogs1** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:53 pm

I agree Roger, handles are way to crisp for the wear on the blades. If it was just rehandled I could deal with that, wouldn't kill the knife, frame itself shows some age, some pitting on the backsprings, not bad.
Dave, here is a shot of the shield straight on.

Tom

MrBlister · Post by **MrBlister** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:16 pm

thnx.. TOM... i dont like that sheild . .
the 3 lines are jus TOO CRISP..

HET

btrwtr · Post by **btrwtr** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:57 pm

Can't say there is much about it that I like. Lanyard ring looks too big. Bone color looks like KA-BAR. Looks like some welding going on. Pins don't have the domed look I would expect to see. Angle cut on the end of the bolsters is not as angular as I would expect.

Tom is this supposed to be a baby bullet? What is the length closed?

olderdogs1 · Post by **olderdogs1** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:29 pm

Wayne,
Closed length is 3 1/2". Where do you see evidence ofwelding Wayne? According to the book it is supposed to be a baby bullet with brown bone. Houston price & Mark Zalesky.

Tom

btrwtr · Post by **btrwtr** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:25 pm

Tom the areas of the blade at the tang junction look strange. A lot of irregular steel with no sign of corrosion. Certainly not an expert on detecting welds but it doesn't look right to me. Could be just cleaning/resurfacing of the blades.

Like you pointed out the thing that is most suspect is the bone. The color and jigging looks just like some of the older KA-BAR stuff. Too much red and not enough brown for Remington IMO.

Here is the bone I'm talking about. The one piece has the color ground from the edge at the end and the red shows more.

olderdogs1 · Post by **olderdogs1** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:37 pm

Thanks, Wayne,
Are both pieces if bone Ka-bar or is the top one Remington?. I don't believe the blades have been welded but not an expert on this either. At any rate I don't believe the handles are original to the knife. I was wondering if perhaps this was a Remington reproduction that had the older blades installed?

Tom

btrwtr · Post by **btrwtr** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:04 am

Tom Both pieces are the same but just different taking of the dye. I got this bone many years ago from the KA-BAR factory rep. DIck Sturm. I think they used it on some of the KA-BAR Collectors Club knives.

btrwtr · Post by **btrwtr** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 12:13 am

Here is an AAPK post with a real R1173. I've never owned one but I have had the chance to take a close look at one I considered authentic and near mint. There are some differences between the OP knife and this previous R1173 AAPK post.

http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kni ... 73#p392886

olderdogs1 · Post by **olderdogs1** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 1:30 am

I can see some differences, particularly in the bone and pins.

I think I will take this one to sevierville next weekend and let some folks evaluate it there as well. Thanks for posting that link Wayne. Wish you were coming to the show.

Tom

stockman · Post by **stockman** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:21 am

Mel said in his original little book closed 3 1/4" I just looked.

Harold

MrBlister · Post by **MrBlister** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:37 am

Poor Ole TOM . ..
gits kicked in the belly every trip in here.. LOLOL

I feel for ya buddy

HET

olderdogs1 · Post by **olderdogs1** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:43 am

Thanks, Harold , Price and Zalesky say 3 1/2", I am always kind of surprised at the books. Sargents books have one of the measurements different than known authentic examples actually are. I have always wondered how they got the measurements they did. Not saying which is correct in this case because I sure don't know.

Tom

stockman · Post by **stockman** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:56 am

Tom I don't know myself. I figured you had already look the length up trying to check your example out. There many
errors in the books, even a dummy like me has found a few. It is still fun trying to figure this stuff out.

Harold

J K WATSON · Post by **J K WATSON** » Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:45 am

btrwtr wrote:Here is an AAPK post with a real R1173. I've never owned one but I have had the chance to take a close look at one I considered authentic and near mint. There are some differences between the OP knife and this previous R1173 AAPK post.

http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/kni ... 73#p392886

MrBlister wrote:TOM.. can ya add a bullet pic shot from straight ON . . looks a lill short but
the pic provided may be distorting it

gimme a HET PIC !!

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