Old Keen Kutter Knives

Keen Kutter was first used as a knife brand by Simmons Hardware Company in 1870. The trademark was used on the highest quality tools and cutlery Simmons offered.
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Sweet 👍😁
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This came, completely unexpected, in the mail today. A KEEN KUTTER 834, 2 blade, "Deer Head" handle pocket knife. Yes, the handles are two toned. It will make a most welcome resident in the zoo. A BIG thank you goes out to Smitty, aka Papa Bones, for a most generous gift. THANK YOU Smitty! 🍻 ::tu:: ::handshake::

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Real nice Skip!!👍😎👍
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jmh58 wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:47 pm Real.....
Thank you John.🍻
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New_Windsor_NY wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:32 pm This came, completely unexpected, in the mail today. A KEEN KUTTER 834, 2 blade, "Deer Head" handle pocket knife. Yes, the handles are two toned. It will make a most welcome resident in the zoo. A BIG thank you goes out to Smitty, aka Papa Bones, for a most generous gift. THANK YOU Smitty! 🍻 ::tu:: ::handshake::

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That’s cool Skip, the Zoo grows ::tu::
Smitty , well played, the fellowship here is hard to beat ::handshake::
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Ripster wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 2:10 pm That’s.....
Thank you JP.🍻
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Picked up this unusual Keen Kutter Wharncliffe whittler the other day as a BIN eBay, was just listed. No pattern number, all blades stamped E.C. Simmons Keen Kutter, looks to have little use, seller listed the size at 4" closed which does not correspond to any pattern in the Keen Kutter book so I would not be surprised if it is smaller when it actually shows up.
The pattern is an early pattern with those long slim pen blades, anyone ever seen another like this or have an idea what pattern number might be? Will take better pics when arrives.
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JohnR wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:15 pm Picked up this unusual Keen Kutter Wharncliffe whittler the other day as a BIN eBay, was just listed. No pattern number, all blades stamped E.C. Simmons Keen Kutter, looks to have little use, seller listed the size at 4" closed which does not correspond to any pattern in the Keen Kutter book so I would not be surprised if it is smaller when it actually shows up.
The pattern is an early pattern with those long slim pen blades, anyone ever seen another like this or have an idea what pattern number might be? Will take better pics when arrives.
Wow John ,that’s a great piece!! Don’t know much about that one ,other than it’s a great piece.
Thanks for posting it.
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It does deserve a Wow!!!! ::nod:: ::nod::
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That's a nice one John.
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JohnR wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:15 pm Picked up this unusual Keen Kutter Wharncliffe whittler the other day as a BIN eBay, was just listed. No pattern number, all blades stamped E.C. Simmons Keen Kutter, looks to have little use, seller listed the size at 4" closed which does not correspond to any pattern in the Keen Kutter book so I would not be surprised if it is smaller when it actually shows up.
The pattern is an early pattern with those long slim pen blades, anyone ever seen another like this or have an idea what pattern number might be? Will take better pics when arrives.
That is a really good looking knife, John👍😁..I love it..
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JohnR wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:15 pm Picked up this unusual Keen Kutter Wharncliffe whittler the other day as a BIN eBay, was just listed. No pattern number, all blades stamped E.C. Simmons Keen Kutter, looks to have little use, seller listed the size at 4" closed which does not correspond to any pattern in the Keen Kutter book so I would not be surprised if it is smaller when it actually shows up.
The pattern is an early pattern with those long slim pen blades, anyone ever seen another like this or have an idea what pattern number might be? Will take better pics when arrives.
Beautiful old KK ::tu::
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Thank you all for the comments ::tu:: ::tu:: If this thing is 4" it will be one of the largest Wharncliffe Whittlers I've seen, most of the vintage ones seem to be 3" to 3 1/2".
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Very interesting knife, John. I will be very interested in what you think once you have the knife. Sellens does list a K3738, Wharncliffe whittler, at 4 1/8" with a stag (bone) handle, and 2 pen blades. From the pictures, it appears as if the knife may have been rehandled??
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danno50 wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:38 pm Very interesting knife, John. I will be very interested in what you think once you have the knife. Sellens does list a K3738, Wharncliffe whittler, at 4 1/8" with a stag (bone) handle, and 2 pen blades. From the pictures, it appears as if the knife may have been rehandled??

I was thinking that Dan but if you were going to rehandle it why use that type of celluloid unless it was done a long time ago. This is definitely one of those knives I bought out of curiosity and I love the pattern.
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JohnR wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:53 pm
danno50 wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:38 pm Very interesting knife, John. I will be very interested in what you think once you have the knife. Sellens does list a K3738, Wharncliffe whittler, at 4 1/8" with a stag (bone) handle, and 2 pen blades. From the pictures, it appears as if the knife may have been rehandled??

I was thinking that Dan but if you were going to rehandle it why use that type of celluloid unless it was done a long time ago. This is definitely one of those knives I bought out of curiosity and I love the pattern.
I wasn't sure of the handle material, celluloid was my first thought. However, it could be micarta?? Definitely looking forward to your in hand assessment once you have it. I also love the pattern. In terms of length, I have an IXL Wharncliffe whittler which measures in at 4 1/4" closed.
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JohnR wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:31 pm Thank you all for the comments ::tu:: ::tu:: If this thing is 4" it will be one of the largest Wharncliffe Whittlers I've seen, most of the vintage ones seem to be 3" to 3 1/2".
Reminds me of a Case Seahorse. Excellent score amigo, that is a looker and great condition and striking to look at. Grabs attention.
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danno50 wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:05 pm
JohnR wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:53 pm
danno50 wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:38 pm Very interesting knife, John. I will be very interested in what you think once you have the knife. Sellens does list a K3738, Wharncliffe whittler, at 4 1/8" with a stag (bone) handle, and 2 pen blades. From the pictures, it appears as if the knife may have been rehandled??

I was thinking that Dan but if you were going to rehandle it why use that type of celluloid unless it was done a long time ago. This is definitely one of those knives I bought out of curiosity and I love the pattern.
I wasn't sure of the handle material, celluloid was my first thought. However, it could be micarta?? Definitely looking forward to your in hand assessment once you have it. I also love the pattern. In terms of length, I have an IXL Wharncliffe whittler which measures in at 4 1/4" closed.



Thanks for all the info danno, always appreciate it. Saw this KK and was very taken by the bones and condition but was wondering what you thought of this? Authentic or counterfeit? Seems the seller has a bad reputation for tainted or faked knives. Thanks for any thoughts you may have.

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Thanks for all the info danno, always appreciate it. Saw this KK and was very taken by the bones and condition but was wondering what you thought of this? Authentic or counterfeit? Seems the seller has a bad reputation for tainted or faked knives. Thanks for any thoughts you may have.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-E-C-SI ... 4610158898

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There is an active topic on this seller in Counterfeit Watch right now. Can't tell for sure, but, it looks like spun pins, especially the spring pin. There is no pattern number on it, which I believe makes it fairly early. I have never seen a KK without a pattern number with spun pins. Based on that, and especially on the seller, I would not buy it.
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Thanks danno, appreciate it big time. Didn't consider the pins, and should have, thanks for that clue. Wonder if this guy ever does real ones or all fakes? Sad, but I get it. Thanks again.
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Ivoryman wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:20 am
danno50 wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:05 pm
JohnR wrote: Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:53 pm


I was thinking that Dan but if you were going to rehandle it why use that type of celluloid unless it was done a long time ago. This is definitely one of those knives I bought out of curiosity and I love the pattern.
I wasn't sure of the handle material, celluloid was my first thought. However, it could be micarta?? Definitely looking forward to your in hand assessment once you have it. I also love the pattern. In terms of length, I have an IXL Wharncliffe whittler which measures in at 4 1/4" closed.



Thanks for all the info danno, always appreciate it. Saw this KK and was very taken by the bones and condition but was wondering what you thought of this? Authentic or counterfeit? Seems the seller has a bad reputation for tainted or faked knives. Thanks for any thoughts you may have.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-E-C-SI ... 4610158898

Iman, another thing I notice about this guys knives is he has a lot of knives with poorly struck tang stamps, they will not be square, there are several examples including this one for sale right now that have questionable tang stamps.
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I haven't seen enough stamps to tell if they are square or not. Did not notice that at all since it looks right to me. Looks so well worn I thought the stamp was legit and other stuff was the fake. But can't thank you enough for any tips you have on spotting the fakes out there. Great education and good to know this stuff. Thanks again and you too danno. Really appreciate you guys clueing us up to this kind of stuff. He has another I keep looking at, a Queen, that really turns me on too, but the stamp doesn't look right to me. Looks like a different type set and looks cold stamped. Now I'm gun shy.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-QUEEN- ... 4736748329

Also have been looking at old Tested era stuff and to me, in my limited observations, this stamp doesn't look right at all and is so rubbed out it would be seemingly easier to fake given the wear making it less clear. Fake too? Looks off to me. Thanks again guys.

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The Keen Kutter Wharncliffe Whittler showed up today and it is a stunning knife, not sure if this is MOP celluloid or cracked ice cell but it is really pretty. Knife is 4 1/8" which makes it large for this pattern, appears to be unused.
Dan, the closest one in Sellens book is K3738 as you stated but there is no mention of being available in celluloid.
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