Made in China?

Whether we like them or loath them, Chinese manufactured knives have found their way into collections of all sorts across the entire globe. The intent of this forum is to offer a place where AAPK members can discuss the knives and not the politics.
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Made in China?

Postby xvigauge » Mon May 09, 2011 3:35 am

I tend to get a feeling that knives made in China are not well liked on ths forum. I am new to the forum so I don't really know what to expect. Being a watch collector, I have found that automatic watch movements (such as Sea Gull) made in China are very good quality, sturdy and well made movements. I assume that knives do not share this same quality? I have a couple of Steal Warrior and Dakota knives that I bought primarily on looks. They seem to be well made, but they do have China on the blades. Are these brands any good? Most of my knives will not actually be used, at least not my new ones. I have several vintage "beaters" that are very sharp and sturdy that I carry for everyday use. Steer me on the right track. Should I stay away from made in China pocket knives?
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Re: Made in China?

Postby zed6309 » Mon May 09, 2011 5:05 am

I myself like all kives and like you i have had many chinese mechanical watches and infact have built over 20 watches using parts from china with mainly st16 seagull movements and have had little problems,as for knives from china yes there are some who dont like them but as far as im concerned if i like a knife i buy it.Now dont get me wrong knives with history are more interesting overal but ive got around 10 chinese knives and pretty much them all are well made and had no problems with them, most have good fit n finnish, there is a chinese section on here and i do post on there, there is some politics sometimes on chinese forums but if you like it buy it and enjoy it,

Welcome to the forum and bottom line enjoy this hobby as it is a very interesting one, try and pick up some old knives as well and find out about them, ::tu::
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Re: Made in China?

Postby Elvis » Mon May 09, 2011 12:51 pm

I would stay away from Chinese knives for collecting purposes if your purpose is to one day have a collection that may grow in value.

The good folks here are capable of giving out some very good advice on knives. All you need to do is let them (us) know your goal. Carrying of collecting, there's some pretty sharp cookies 'round these parts.
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Re: Made in China?

Postby zed6309 » Mon May 09, 2011 12:59 pm

Elvis wrote:I would stay away from Chinese knives for collecting purposes if your purpose is to one day have a collection that may grow in value.

The good folks here are capable of giving out some very good advice on knives. All you need to do is let them (us) know your goal. Carrying of collecting, there's some pretty sharp cookies 'round these parts.



I agree with elvis though on future value as chinese wont be worth much in the future, but they are cheap and i personaly like the ones i have even though they wont go up in value, i have a mix, although since being on here in going more away from chinese knives, but i still look :wink:
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Re: Made in China?

Postby CCBill » Mon May 09, 2011 5:26 pm

I'll probably get some hate mail over this but it is MY opinion and I am entitled to it the same as YOU are entitled to YOUR opinion.

I personally do not buy Chinese knives. Not that they are not good looking knives nor are all of them of inferior quality. I don't buy them because I feel that each one that an American buys is like driving another nail in the coffin of an American cutlery company. Schrade is gone. Camillus is gone, along with others. Which of the remaining American cutlers do you want to go out of business, next? Queen? Great Eastern? Buck? Case? Who? Maybe the companies we have lost wouldn't have survived anyway. I don't know but I am in what I feel is a growing minority that is sick and tired of all the Chinese "stuff" that is being forced on us. I buy American every chance I get. I'll even do without some things if I have to.
You have the right to choose to buy them the same as I have the right to choose to not buy them.
I don't know about Chinese watches but I guess the same could be said for them.
I personally would rather own, one,Stag, Great Eastern of any pattern than own a dozen fancy Chinese knives.
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Re: Made in China?

Postby zed6309 » Mon May 09, 2011 5:32 pm

CCBill wrote:I'll probably get some hate mail over this but it is MY opinion and I am entitled to it the same as YOU are entitled to YOUR opinion.

I personally do not buy Chinese knives. Not that they are not good looking knives nor are all of them of inferior quality. I don't buy them because I feel that each one that an American buys is like driving another nail in the coffin of an American cutlery company. Schrade is gone. Camillus is gone, along with others. Which of the remaining American cutlers do you want to go out of business, next? Queen? Great Eastern? Buck? Case? Who? Maybe the companies we have lost wouldn't have survived anyway. I don't know but I am in what I feel is a growing minority that is sick and tired of all the Chinese "stuff" that is being forced on us. I buy American every chance I get. I'll even do without some things if I have to.
You have the right to choose to buy them the same as I have the right to choose to not buy them.
I don't know about Chinese watches but I guess the same could be said for them.
I personally would rather own, one,Stag, Great Eastern of any pattern than own a dozen fancy Chinese knives.
...CCBill said that... 8)...


I cant see why you would get any hate mail mate, we all have our opinion and thats what this post was about i guess, ::tu:: i prefer my old american knives to all my chinese knives, and have more U.S made knives now, for me its the old problem in the uk of getting hold of knives, not a problem in the states, i need to move :D
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Re: Made in China?

Postby gino » Mon May 09, 2011 6:53 pm

CCBill, we are have our own opinions and for the record I agree with you 110%
Ditto what you wrote for me all the way!
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Re: Made in China?

Postby testcase » Tue May 10, 2011 10:52 pm

CCBill wrote:I'll probably get some hate mail over this but it is MY opinion and I am entitled to it the same as YOU are entitled to YOUR opinion.

I personally do not buy Chinese knives. Not that they are not good looking knives nor are all of them of inferior quality. I don't buy them because I feel that each one that an American buys is like driving another nail in the coffin of an American cutlery company. Schrade is gone. Camillus is gone, along with others. Which of the remaining American cutlers do you want to go out of business, next? Queen? Great Eastern? Buck? Case? Who? Maybe the companies we have lost wouldn't have survived anyway. I don't know but I am in what I feel is a growing minority that is sick and tired of all the Chinese "stuff" that is being forced on us. I buy American every chance I get. I'll even do without some things if I have to.
You have the right to choose to buy them the same as I have the right to choose to not buy them.
I don't know about Chinese watches but I guess the same could be said for them.
I personally would rather own, one,Stag, Great Eastern of any pattern than own a dozen fancy Chinese knives.
...CCBill said that... 8)...



Spot on brother, spot on!The choice is support our US companies or a wholly owned subsidiary of the Chinese military who war games against us
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Re: Made in China?

Postby knifemaker3 » Wed May 11, 2011 10:09 pm

Let me state up front that I would prefer American made over China made anytime....However, While I agree with part of what is being said, I will throw another senerio out there for you all to think about.

I own and operate a small sporting goods store. I carry knives in my store. I sell 10 China made Rough Riders or Schrade to every 1 Case or Buck and have yet to sell a GEC in my store even though I've got at least 1 on display at all times.

I talk to many different knife retailers either at their store, at gunshows, etc. Each will tell you we would rather sell all American made knives, but if we don't sell China as well we don't have a business.

So, for many AMERICANS who are trying to eek out an existance in this economy we either trade in China made stuff or shut our doors.

I guess you are saying that since I'm and AMERICAN selling chinese knives as the most profitable part of my knife stock in the store that I should either quit selling them or only sell american and possibly have to close the store down???? I know some are very successful at selling only American made products in their online stores, but know of very few who own a brick and mortar store.

I guess it's ok to sit on your foreign made computer sipping your foreign grown coffee and complain about someone buying a china made product as you don't have store rent to pay, insurance on said store, overhead, etc. etc. etc. to try and eek out an existance in an already dead economy. After all, the sales taxes paid on the china made knives I sell in my store goes to the state government here in the good ol' USA......kinda like it does in communist china! ::facepalm::

So, to each their own on buying, selling, trading, or whatever on the china made knives. I will continue to sell them as I simply can't sell American made knives as easy as I can the RRs and Schrades. I don't like it, but if I don't I will have to shut down the store. That in turn means another AMERICAN ran business going down the tubes.
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Re: Made in China?

Postby Absintheur » Mon May 16, 2011 11:17 pm

I read the above posts about not buying Chinese products but if you truly felt that way how can you post on here? I know for a fact many of the parts in the computer you are using where made in China. As for the statement "they war game against us" guess what? We war game against them too.

I buy knives from all over the world but some of the highest quality factory knives I have seen lately have come out of China via AG Russell. To get the same quality you have to spend over twice as much and buy semi custom like the Bose Case knives.

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Re: Made in China?

Postby sextonknifeworks » Mon May 16, 2011 11:53 pm

I have never been a fan of China knives because the return on investment was not there. But .... I just picked up this AG Russell and it is top notch. Very close to custom/Tony Bose in fit and finish. The main difference is the weight of the knife, it just seems lighter like maybe the quality in the metal is not there.
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Re: Made in China?

Postby garddogg56 » Tue May 17, 2011 1:08 am

These chineese russells are NO-WAY as good as Case,Buck USA,Schrade USA Queen,BEAR,Canal St,.We had a guy at work try one of these russels after 2 weeks the bolster pins became loose and their was a nick in the blade you could strip a #10 wire with ::shrug:: I've had a Buck 112(37yrs) and a Schrade LB7 and NEVER had these problems and we work our knives hard ::smack::
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Re: Made in China?

Postby garddogg56 » Tue May 17, 2011 1:12 am

Oh yea;Buy AMERICAN the job you save may be your own ::tu::
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Re: Made in China?

Postby glenn » Tue May 17, 2011 1:29 am

Glue just will not hold like a good old fashion pin.
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Re: Made in China?

Postby Just Plain Dave » Tue May 17, 2011 3:35 am

Absolutely agree they will likely never ever be worth one penny more than you paid for them.

I have a handful of Rough Riders, a Buck Chinese Trapper and a few other Chinese made knives.

They get as sharp as my Case CVs, and they look and work quite well.

I buy old American knives when I can, but Rough Rider has done a fair amount of cutting for me.

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