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RA If it is original it should be pined on. You should be able to open all blades and see pin with a light on
inside of the liner. Might need to wipe inside with a rag to see. Hope all is right with the knife.
Harold
inside of the liner. Might need to wipe inside with a rag to see. Hope all is right with the knife.
Harold
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Ralph,
The Remington R7833 should have a pinned shield. Take a soft tooth brush and some dish soap with hot water and give the shield a brush or two. This should take out the accumulated dirt and grime from the years of use. Harold is correct to look inside for indication of pinning. If you don't see it, it has been glued on. Remington's standard cutlery comittment of practice was to pin their shields on a knife that required one.
This knife should have brass linings and 18% nickel silver shield, and bolsters.
The catalogs, jobber's price listing and other research materials indicate that the circa is 1924 to 1933 based on the tang stamp and appears correct related to catalogs and listings from 1929 and onward. I do not find it listed in earlier materials.
Should have a Large spear blade and small spey blade. The Remington knives past and present by Stewart and Ritchie list it having a small "pen" blade which according to the Remington catalogs and related documents reports this as being incorrect.
Yours blade looks to be correct and appears more of a spey blade than pen even though it has light wear. The blades were originally Crocus polished and main blade was etched,( 2E ).
As far as it being called an "Anglo-Saxon" pattern this is new to me, I know it as a " Sleeveboard Pen" or "Pen" pattern. Where did you gather that information? I know where The term Anglo-Saxon comes from and how and why it was used through history but do not know how it relates to this knife pattern.
( My guess is... it may relate to the clip or pinched bolsters, the shape of the knife and or the use of a "spear" main blade. )
Your knife is beautiful and unique. I believe it is original with possible exception to the shield,( I also believe you will find this to be original and correct once said and done). Great find and great look-see!
Lets see what Remington Collector has to say.
The Remington R7833 should have a pinned shield. Take a soft tooth brush and some dish soap with hot water and give the shield a brush or two. This should take out the accumulated dirt and grime from the years of use. Harold is correct to look inside for indication of pinning. If you don't see it, it has been glued on. Remington's standard cutlery comittment of practice was to pin their shields on a knife that required one.
This knife should have brass linings and 18% nickel silver shield, and bolsters.
The catalogs, jobber's price listing and other research materials indicate that the circa is 1924 to 1933 based on the tang stamp and appears correct related to catalogs and listings from 1929 and onward. I do not find it listed in earlier materials.
Should have a Large spear blade and small spey blade. The Remington knives past and present by Stewart and Ritchie list it having a small "pen" blade which according to the Remington catalogs and related documents reports this as being incorrect.
Yours blade looks to be correct and appears more of a spey blade than pen even though it has light wear. The blades were originally Crocus polished and main blade was etched,( 2E ).
As far as it being called an "Anglo-Saxon" pattern this is new to me, I know it as a " Sleeveboard Pen" or "Pen" pattern. Where did you gather that information? I know where The term Anglo-Saxon comes from and how and why it was used through history but do not know how it relates to this knife pattern.
( My guess is... it may relate to the clip or pinched bolsters, the shape of the knife and or the use of a "spear" main blade. )
Your knife is beautiful and unique. I believe it is original with possible exception to the shield,( I also believe you will find this to be original and correct once said and done). Great find and great look-see!
Lets see what Remington Collector has to say.
Rocky, AKA- AREMINGTONSEDGE
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RALPH...........VERY NICE KNIFE!!!!
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Here's a similar one in ebony made by Winchester marked 2679. Seems funny that the two companies made such unusual and similar versions of a knife (4 9/16" closed).
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MS,
Not surprised at the similarities in craftsmanship or patterns. Winchester Arms Company and Remington Arms Company both began their cutlery production around 1919 after the end of WW1 in 1918. Both had been in production of firearms and we're looking to fill or take advantage of the failing European market in knife production and demands. This due to the negative U.S. sentiment toward Germany and other European Allied countries after WW1. Like Remington, Winchester sought out and aquired some of the great European cutlers to hand craft and design their knives. These cutlers shared common craftsmanship and designs in their trade. It was said that some cutlers would leave one US company for another due to,"offers they could not refuse" from companies that offered higher pay or provided lifestyle perks that were too good to pass up. Remington was known for doing this as he was intent on producing the best knives in the industry and cornering the cutlery market.
Not surprised at the similarities in craftsmanship or patterns. Winchester Arms Company and Remington Arms Company both began their cutlery production around 1919 after the end of WW1 in 1918. Both had been in production of firearms and we're looking to fill or take advantage of the failing European market in knife production and demands. This due to the negative U.S. sentiment toward Germany and other European Allied countries after WW1. Like Remington, Winchester sought out and aquired some of the great European cutlers to hand craft and design their knives. These cutlers shared common craftsmanship and designs in their trade. It was said that some cutlers would leave one US company for another due to,"offers they could not refuse" from companies that offered higher pay or provided lifestyle perks that were too good to pass up. Remington was known for doing this as he was intent on producing the best knives in the industry and cornering the cutlery market.
Rocky, AKA- AREMINGTONSEDGE
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Here are a few old celluloid Remingtons I've picked up over the years, an R3245R a 3415 in near mint condition and an old 3665 with the scalloped bolsters:
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Love those bolsters!
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Bumping the thread and showing some love to Remington...
Here are a couple of vintage R1253 Bullet variations. Esteemed AAPK member Wayne (btrwtr) helped me find the knife shown in the first 4 pictures. I believe this knife is a later version (i.e., closer to 1940) because the pattern number is inked on rather than stamped. This is the only bullet I have seen (so far) with an inked pattern number. I have a few other Remington non-bullets with inked pattern numbers. It is somewhat uncommon for the blade etch to say "master knife" instead of "Trademark". Although the blade is stained and spotted, it seems to have the original finish.
This next example is more typical, in my experience, of what is generally available in this pattern with regard to condition.
Thanks for looking
Here are a couple of vintage R1253 Bullet variations. Esteemed AAPK member Wayne (btrwtr) helped me find the knife shown in the first 4 pictures. I believe this knife is a later version (i.e., closer to 1940) because the pattern number is inked on rather than stamped. This is the only bullet I have seen (so far) with an inked pattern number. I have a few other Remington non-bullets with inked pattern numbers. It is somewhat uncommon for the blade etch to say "master knife" instead of "Trademark". Although the blade is stained and spotted, it seems to have the original finish.
This next example is more typical, in my experience, of what is generally available in this pattern with regard to condition.
Thanks for looking
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Really nice old Bullets Jerry. I think I've seen the one with the inked pattern number. Happy you got it.
Harold
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Thanks Harold. You probably saw the inked R1253 at one of the Wanenmacher shows.
Going up the Remington Bullet Trapper pattern number scale, here is a Remington Bullet R1263. In my experience R1263's are less commonly available than the R1253's. The R1263 is pretty comparable in size and shape as the R1253 except the R1263 has 2 blades: a master clip and a secondary pen. Thanks for looking.
Going up the Remington Bullet Trapper pattern number scale, here is a Remington Bullet R1263. In my experience R1263's are less commonly available than the R1253's. The R1263 is pretty comparable in size and shape as the R1253 except the R1263 has 2 blades: a master clip and a secondary pen. Thanks for looking.
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Thanks Roger. It's quadruplets now
Here is a R1273 Bullet Trapper. It is more uncommon than the R1263. The R1273 differs from the R1263 in that the master blade is a long spear instead of a clip.
Thanks for looking
Here is a R1273 Bullet Trapper. It is more uncommon than the R1263. The R1273 differs from the R1263 in that the master blade is a long spear instead of a clip.
Thanks for looking
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Ralph, or Jerry?,that first bullet you posted is a stunner.
Yea,that Wayne is OK. He's helped me out at least twice.I hope he's not done.
Yea,that Wayne is OK. He's helped me out at least twice.I hope he's not done.
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Lyle
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May the Father and Son bless
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Thanks Lyle. Your Remington French ivory Farmer's Jack is quite the stunner, too.
Here is the last, but definitely not least, of the Remington Bullets in the Banana / Hobo / Trapper pattern style. This is the R293 B which came with the Hunter-Trader-Trapper magazine subscription for $2.50. This pattern does not have a pattern number stamped on the tang. The "heft" of this knife is very noticeable in the hand.
Thanks for looking.
Here is the last, but definitely not least, of the Remington Bullets in the Banana / Hobo / Trapper pattern style. This is the R293 B which came with the Hunter-Trader-Trapper magazine subscription for $2.50. This pattern does not have a pattern number stamped on the tang. The "heft" of this knife is very noticeable in the hand.
Thanks for looking.
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That's a lot of steel in some beautiful handles. I have several banana trappers,but nothing old nice.I liked that pattern before I concentrated on farmers jacks.
I buy roosters combs and farmers..........................................................jack knives [/b]
GEC SFOs and others at LICK CREEK CUTLERY- www.allaboutpocketknives.com/wlf
May the Father and Son bless
Lyle
GEC SFOs and others at LICK CREEK CUTLERY- www.allaboutpocketknives.com/wlf
May the Father and Son bless
Lyle
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Jerry nice HTT knife and magazine. Hard to find knife.
Harold
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Harold and Roger, thanks for the compliments. I should have mentioned that I "appropriated" the magazine pictures from another post on AAPK. I am on the hunt to trap a H-T-T magazine to supplement my Bullet knife collection.
Wade, if you read this maybe the comment I made to you regarding your pursuit of Western stockman patterns about me being able to related to goal-driven (aka obsessed ) collecting will make more sense.
Wade, if you read this maybe the comment I made to you regarding your pursuit of Western stockman patterns about me being able to related to goal-driven (aka obsessed ) collecting will make more sense.
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I have a bone handled Challenge folding hunter that is lightly etched H-T-T Columbus Ohio.Did Hunter Trader Trapper magazine become Fur Fish & Game?
Roger
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I did a google search and answered my question.H-T-T was started by A R Harding in 1900.He got some some kind of illness in 1914 and sold the magazine.In 1925 after recovering he tried to buy it back and was rebuffed.He started FFG and it is still going and family owned.H-T-T closed in 1938.Both were/are in Columbus.
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Wow! Great looking knife! That issue of HTT had the Remington "Bulldog" in it, which is in this thread somewhere. The magazine ad for your knife I got from Tony Bose, assuming it's the same one. I wrote a short sidebar on HTT knives in my book.
Issues of HTT show up on that large auction site. For a while there I was asking the sellers if there were any knife ads in the issues they had for sale. There are scanned copies of HTT available on Google Books.
Issues of HTT show up on that large auction site. For a while there I was asking the sellers if there were any knife ads in the issues they had for sale. There are scanned copies of HTT available on Google Books.
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Many thanks to Harold / Stockman I was able to find some good copies of H-T-T magazine with advertisements for the HTT Bullet knife R293B.
Here is a picture of a nice gently used & sharpened R3643 stockman pattern with a turkish clip master. As is typical on many bone handled Remingons, the handles are really nice.
Thanks for looking.
Here is a picture of a nice gently used & sharpened R3643 stockman pattern with a turkish clip master. As is typical on many bone handled Remingons, the handles are really nice.
Thanks for looking.
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Ralph, the bone and bolsters on the remmy really speak to me !!
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Jerry Nice stockman. I've never seen that pattern.
Harold
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