The Other Brands

The Camillus Cutlery Company was one of the oldest knife manufacturers in the United States with roots dating back to 1876. The company manufactured Camillus branded knives and was a prolific contractor for other knife brands up until its last days in 2007 when the company filed for bankruptcy.
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The Other Brands

Postby trail » Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:42 pm

How about a thread for all the Camillus knives that don't say Camillus on the tang. Most everybody knows that Camillus had other brands, most notably Camco, and that Camillus made knives for almost everyone under the sun, so let's take a look at them. I'll start off with the two "Syracuse" stamps, Federal Knife Company and Clover Brand. I conjecture that Camillus had a plant in Syracuse until the early 1920s and that these two brands were made there. I base this on advertising I have seen for Camillus from 1920 that lists the two locations. By 1922 the Syracuse location had been dropped from the advertising. Yes, I have seen the listings for Clover Brand as made in the 1940s, but the knives look older to me. So unless someone can suggest differently, I think Federal and Clover Brand were made in a plant in Syracuse until around 1921. Then the Syracuse plant was closed, and all manufacture was concentrated in Camillus. At that time, Camillus dropped the Federal and Clover Brand names. Now is the time for a real historian to step in and set me straight. In the meantime, here are photographs:
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Re: The Other Brands

Postby tjmurphy » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:05 am

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Re: The Other Brands

Postby trail » Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:22 am

That ought to keep us busy for a while, T.J. Then there are all the contract knives made for Case, Kabar, Sears, etc. The listings for Clover Brand and Federal kind of blow my theory away, but I'd still like to know just what kind of facility they had in Syracuse back in the early 1920s. Maybe someone will know.

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Re: The Other Brands

Postby tjmurphy » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:03 am

I just put that up as a reference in case you come up with a stamp and are not sure if it is Camillus family or not. The link may be a little misleading/confusing since it concerns all the Kastor brands including Camillus.
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Re: The Other Brands

Postby trail » Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:00 pm

High Carbon Steel was a Camillus brand for sale through the big department stores, Sears and Montgomery & Ward - of the day - 1928 through 1940.
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Re: The Other Brands

Postby Ramrod » Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:42 am

Nice ones Trail.
Heres another High Carbon.
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Re: The Other Brands

Postby trail » Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:53 pm

Your High Carbon Steel shows the quality that Camillus put into some of their subsidiary brands, Mark. Kind of an unusual pattern, too - I'm guessing it is a four bladed senator, from my reading of Levine.

Here is another Camillus brand, Camp Buddy. Mine looks like it got run over by a heavy tracked vehicle, but I seem to remember Dale stating that every one he had ever seen was a rust bucket. Mine does have a readable shield and stamp, even though it is missing a bail and a blade.
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Re: The Other Brands

Postby edgy46 » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:10 pm

Found this yesterday.
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Re: The Other Brands

Postby PigSticker » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:31 pm

Here's a Syracuse Knife Company I'll get a couple more pic's of tang stamps when my battery charges also have one with a spear blade and bottle opener-I had know idea they were that old the link Dale posted says they'd be pre WWII
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Re: The Other Brands

Postby PigSticker » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:53 pm

A couple more pic's the tang stamp on the one with the cap opener has alight stamp the one with clip and pen blades has a stamp on each blade both are nice old knives though with half stops-the one with clip blade has some good hard snapping springs on it
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Re: The Other Brands

Postby orvet » Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:47 pm

Here is one of Kastor's German made knives.
I like the bone on it, the fact it is an easy opener & the blade etch.
It all works for me. :)
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Re: The Other Brands

Postby trail » Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:59 pm

I've wanted a Kent for a long time (Camillus made house brand for F.W. Woolworth), but a number of factors kept me from buying one. First, I'm cheap, and decent Kents are starting to go up in price. Second, many Kents are cell handled and already showing some signs of outgassing. So I kept my eye open and finally turned up a synthetic handled one with a fair amount of black rust but not so much I didn't think it would clean up nicely. Evidently nobody else wanted to take on the cleanup so I got it cheap. It needs some more work but looks promising.
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Re: The Other Brands

Postby orvet » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:22 am

That is a nice one. ::tu::
It seems the Kent knives are usually worn out when I find them.
I think they were inexpensive and the people who bought them used and abused them.
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Re: The Other Brands

Postby jerryd6818 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:03 am

Dale - Do you think the secondary blade on your A.W.W. was originally a coping blade or is that a pen blade with a broken tip that's been re-profiled? Just from the picture, it looks like the latter to me.
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Re: The Other Brands

Postby garddogg56 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:29 pm

As far as other brands this Buck IS a Camillus made in 1974 ::nod::303Cadet
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