Camillus Cartridge Collection

The Camillus Cutlery Company was one of the oldest knife manufacturers in the United States with roots dating back to 1876. The company manufactured Camillus branded knives and was a prolific contractor for other knife brands up until its last days in 2007 when the company filed for bankruptcy.
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Camillus Cartridge Collection

Postby 69gto » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:56 pm

Just wondering if any Camillus followers could help me on a few questions regarding the Cartridge Collection Series. I recently bought a CCC-2, my first one, and it's a heckuva product. I learned Camillus made the series from 1991-1997 and produced seven models in total. The CCC 1-6 appear to be available but not so much with the CCC-7. Does anyone know production numbers on the models in CCC series? What's the outlook for demand on the Cartridge Collection series? Any thought on a good purchasing price range for items that are MIB?

Also, I've been collecting the Remington repros and got started on the SB's. I know that Camillus made the Remington Repros and Silver Bullets; to me, the CCC is close to the same product as the SB. Over the past year, it seems that the Remingtons and Camillus' have been resting at a decent price/value. For that reason, I've been picking up pieces when I can -- and because I really enjoy the products. Lately, it looks like prices are heading north. Anyone else feel that way? Is there a trend for higher quality USA made cutlery from 80's-90s?

Thanks a million for your feedback.
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Re: Camillus Cartridge Collection

Postby orvet » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:49 pm

One of the biggest expenses in producing a knife pattern is the cost of the tooling to produce the pattern.
It can run over $10,000 for the tooling on a complex pattern.
Once a company, such as Remington, paid for the tooling for a pattern the tooling belonged to Camillus.
Unless there was an agreement that the contracting company had exclusive rights to the use of the tooling (which cost even more so was seldom done) Camillus owned the tooling and could make what ever they wanted with the stamps, dyes and tooling.

When you see Camillus Cartridge knives that look the same as the Remington's, that is the reason; they were made on the same tooling as the Remington, in the same factory (Camillus) by the same people.
Since the tooling was paid for, that was not factored into the cost of the product so Camillus could sell for less and make plenty on the pattern.

I generally prefer the Camillus series to the Remingtons, myself.

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Re: Camillus Cartridge Collection

Postby 69gto » Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:03 pm

Thanks, Dale! Makes sense. Do you have any of the CCC's? I'm buying a few here and there and curious about where collectors think the market may be headed for this series?
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Re: Camillus Cartridge Collection

Postby orvet » Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:22 am

I am not sure how many I have maybe 2 or 3.

I think the market is strong on most all the Camillus products (US Made).
I expect them to continue to increase in value.

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Re: Camillus Cartridge Collection

Postby Phil Gibbs » Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:17 pm

orvet wrote:One of the biggest expenses in producing a knife pattern is the cost of the tooling to produce the pattern.
It can run over $10,000 for the tooling on a complex pattern.
Once a company, such as Remington, paid for the tooling for a pattern the tooling belonged to Camillus.
Unless there was an agreement that the contracting company had exclusive rights to the use of the tooling (which cost even more so was seldom done) Camillus owned the tooling and could make what ever they wanted with the stamps, dyes and tooling.

When you see Camillus Cartridge knives that look the same as the Remington's, that is the reason; they were made on the same tooling as the Remington, in the same factory (Camillus) by the same people.
Since the tooling was paid for, that was not factored into the cost of the product so Camillus could sell for less and make plenty on the pattern.

I generally prefer the Camillus series to the Remingtons, myself.

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Dale,

Truth is Remington never wanted to (& never did) pay for any of the tooling for their knives.
Our only method of recouping our tooling costs (probably closer to $20,000 for a 2 blade folder) was to use it ourselves.

Interestingly enough, the 1983 R1173 was my first Remington new pattern! :D

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Re: Camillus Cartridge Collection

Postby orvet » Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:48 am

Thank you Phil, that is good to know. I seem to have my facts skewed a bit. I really appreciate the update.
Since Camillus paid for the tooling and owned it, that is all the more reason for them to use it on their own knives.

Are there any differences between the Camillus Cartridge series and the Remington's?
The Camillus seem to me to be made better for some reason.
Maybe just my prejudice. :mrgreen:

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Re: Camillus Cartridge Collection

Postby Phil Gibbs » Sun Oct 17, 2010 2:45 pm

orvet wrote:Thank you Phil, that is good to know. I seem to have my facts skewed a bit. I really appreciate the update.
Since Camillus paid for the tooling and owned it, that is all the more reason for them to use it on their own knives.

Are there any differences between the Camillus Cartridge series and the Remington's?
The Camillus seem to me to be made better for some reason.
Maybe just my prejudice. :mrgreen:

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Nothing wrong with a little prejudice Dale! :D
In theory the quality of the Camillus Classic Cartridge series would have been the same as the Silver Bullet series from Remington.
Let's be honest, real jigged bone takes a better polish than the dyed delrin of the regular Bullet knives.

Anyone have any of the Camillus Safari Series with the nickel plated bullet case head?

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Re: Camillus Cartridge Collection

Postby gino » Sun Oct 17, 2010 8:54 pm

I recently purchased the entire series all mint in box with papaerwork plus an extra of the scout (which I since traded to JR). I dont know anything about numbers but they are well built sturdy knives.

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Re: Camillus Cartridge Collection

Postby 69gto » Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:00 am

I really like this series, a classic. Recently picked up CCC-1 through CCC-6; need that no. 7. If anyone has one to offer for sale or trade please let me know. Thanks for all the interesting comments.
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Re: Camillus Cartridge Collection

Postby johnnierotten » Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:11 pm

Anyone have any of the Camillus Safari Series with the nickel plated bullet case head?


I thought that I would start this thread up again... :)
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Re: Camillus Cartridge Collection

Postby FRJ » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:47 am

This very nice knife I gave to my good friend. 7 mm Mauser.

I'm sure it's a great series. Never seen another one.
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Re: Camillus Cartridge Collection

Postby johnnierotten » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:55 am

Yeah....they're very nice knives. ::tu:: ......here is the one that I got from Gino that He talks about in his earlier post. :)
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Re: Camillus Cartridge Collection

Postby FRJ » Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:01 am

Those are great looking knives, Johnnie. Nice comparison there. Is that a leather punch? If so, I prefer that style. Very pointed and long. Looks like they opted out on the swedge on the sheepsfoot on the Camillus.
What cartridge is designated for that knife?
Thanks for showing those.
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Re: Camillus Cartridge Collection

Postby johnnierotten » Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:19 am

Yes....that’s a leather punch. ::nod:: ...the cartridge is a 270 Winchester. ::tu:: ....Both knives are actually made by Camillus.....but I do like the swedge on the Remmy's sheepsfoot better.....I think they should have put it in both. ::nod:: 8)
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Re: Camillus Cartridge Collection

Postby FRJ » Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:33 am

Thanks Johnnie. I thought it might be a punch, but had to ask. Yeah, I like to see a swedge where ever I can.
But don't you like to see a punch like that, Johnnie, nice and sharp and pointed that you could actually get through a harness or a belt. A lot I see would be hard to use.
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