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Great catch, you guys most be in a continual slow roast down there. Got to 103 on my front deck a couple of weeks ago you could hear squealing from every corner of town. Only gets over 90 about once every ten years.
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THANX GUYS!!!
yep moss.....hotter than 700 hells!!!! ::woot:: 99 today....cooling trend ..lol....from 110 for last 2 weeks ::dang::

guy has several more knives....yet money tight here....i got that for $20 and am goin back monday for a clauss he said he would take $20 on....if still there ::facepalm::

NEVER HAD LESS.....AND ENJOYED IT MORE....LOL ::ds::


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I have a Bolo S A 1912 do you have any idea where I might get a set of handles for it.
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Hello Riley:
With or without Handles why don't you show us some photos of your solo and sheath and even the S guard if it is still there.
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Can I sneak in a German Puma bayonet with frog and an Anton Wingen Hitler Youth knife? The bayonet & scabbard are original but the frog is reproduction. From what I have read, the bayonet is a German Police Dress Bayonet, not sure about its age. ::shrug::

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Lauterjung & Sohn (Puma werk), Solingen

the nazi police bayonete came in several styles, with or without bayonete lug...polised, plated...ect...

is there an RZM mark on that blade...or the youth knife?
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I finally found one of my Holy Grail knives, courtesy of the National Gun Show at Dulles.

A little about the knife, it's a L.F. & C. US Mark I trench knife with scabbard and belt hooks intact and a decent patina. Lots of times the prongs got broken off the scabbard as there are just 2 little rivets holding each one on. The handle is actually cast bronze, has a double edged blade with a "nut cracker" pommel screw holding it together. The scabbard is crimped metal that is copper coated. Then the whole knife is chemically treated (on this particular version) so the blacker they are the less they have been handled. There are 3 other makers of this trench knife; Au Lion, Henry Disston & Sons and Oneida Community Ltd., but these came with a polished finish.

From what I've read, this knife gets credited for use in WW I, due to the 1918 handle stamp, but most weren't issued until WW II, with the Au Lion being the earliest one made for our Dough Boys in France.

If knives could talk, I'd love to hear the stories this one could tell.
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Stopped by the local military surplus store yesterday and found this mate for my Trench, a WW1 canvas cartridge belt in pretty near mint condition. All of the snaps and pouches are perfect, just a little oxidation on some of the metal eyelets. I was really stoked to come across this find! ::ds::
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Congratulations!

It is nice to find something you have been looking for ::tu::
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So true, so true. Thanks!
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I really hate to be stupid but what ammo did it carry,
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.30 cal maybe? The pouches are about 4" deep.
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The belt was used in WWI to carry "Ball, M1906" cartridges (the early version, w/150 flat-based bullets jacketed in cupro-nickel, not the later interwars-developed "Ball, M1" w/173gr boattail, or the "Ball, M2" used in WWII), carried in 5 round stripper clips.

By the production/issue numbers, the wearer would have most-likely been carrying a 1917 Enfield and M1917 bayonet, but could have been carrying a 1903 Springfield or 1903 Mk I, along with a M1905 bayonet. (And I guess that tells how I think it would be best-displayed!)

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Great info, thanks Jim. ::tu::

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Some Camillus WWII folders :wink:
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Thanks Josh! :D
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Found an early Christmas present for myself- a 1918 Au Lion French made Mark 1. From what I've read, there's a good likelihood that these French knives were produced during and saw WWI action.

Here's a great reference for Mark 1 information with great pictures and links to more information; http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ ... fe-thread/
Unlike the LF&C knife, these had a bright finish and ricasso stamp. Originally had a metal scabbard but they were often discarded because the belt prongs broke off easily. These are getting harder to find and are becoming counterfeited more and more because of increasing rarity and price.

Before you plop down your hard earned cash make sure you know what you're buying, with knives in general. ::nod::
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Very nice find! ::tu::
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This knife was given to me. It was brought home by a soldier who served in WWII.
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Thanks, Miller, I'm always on the lookout for these trench knives. ::drool::



Sweet looking dagger, Ralph. I see these at auction going for big bucks. Know anything about yours?

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John, Here is a link to some information that I was able to find on the Internet that describes the dagger:

http://germandressdaggers.com/SA%20standard.htm

The original owners of these daggers don't seem to have a history of doing good deeds. The man who brought this back from the War was part of the D-Day glider infantry. I don't know how or when he came to possess the dagger. I wish I could ask him about it.

Here is some info about the glider infantry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_a ... n_Normandy

I imagine many of y'all know men who served in WWII. In my experience these gentlemen did not really discuss what they did and what they saw. When I was growing up in my little community during the 60's & 70's I knew several men who had served. I still look at the local newspapers from Southern Illinois. A few years ago I noticed the obituary for Bob Evers, the local propane delivery man. Until I read his obituary, I remembered him as small and unimposing, but wiry and strong - he could easily carry those propane tanks that were as big as he was. He was always laughing and telling a joke. It turns out he was a survivor of the Bataan Death March - I never knew before reading the obituary. My memory of him now also includes tough guy. I was always respectful toward Bob, but certainly not respectful enough.

http://thesouthern.com/news/local/obitu ... 43fa7.html

Well, this reply post turned out to describe a lot more than "what do I know about the dagger".

You can probably guess that I won't be putting the dagger into an auction :)
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Great info, Ralph! I particularily like the info on the Inspection Stamp Markings. That's one way to verify originality. Maybe one day I'll find a decent one in my price range. ::nod:: Thanks for posting!
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Ran across this Western seebee Mark 1, some pitting from bad storage but blade is full and maybe unsharpened. Now to find a sheath....... :roll:
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Where have you been Bob? :o

You have not posted in this thread for 2 years :lol:

Welcome back, nice Western ::tu::
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