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Richartz, Gebruder & Soehne used a whale as a stamp. BL4 states Solingen-Ohligs Germany 1900-pres.
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Thanks Kathy. Here's a little Richartz with the whale stamp. (would the person who gifted this knife to me, please jog my memory)
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I've noticed several people in different posts ask about a tang stamp chart for Carl Schlieper / German Eye knives.
Ray (Paladin) has helped me many times with Eye questions, and I compiled a chart (sort of).
As most of you know, you can't say "Eye Brand knives used this tang stamp from 19xx to 19xx".
You have to take several things into account (tang stamp, shield, etch, etc.).

Here is what I came up with, I hope you find it useful.
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8) ::ds:: AWESOME!
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THIS IS WHAT "WE" ARE LOOKING FOR IN THIS THREAD!!!

NOT , JUST A PIC OF A KNIFE ,OR ONE SINGLE STAMP.......HENCE THE TITLE "TANG STAMP CHARTS" ::tu::
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keithw wrote:I've noticed several people in different posts ask about a tang stamp chart for Carl Schlieper / German Eye knives.
Ray (Paladin) has helped me many times with Eye questions, and I compiled a chart (sort of).
As most of you know, you can't say "Eye Brand knives used this tang stamp from 19xx to 19xx".
You have to take several things into account (tang stamp, shield, etch, etc.).

Here is what I came up with, I hope you find it useful.
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Would this be considerd a straight line stamp ?
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mansolingen,

Even though they share some common tang stamps, I don't think you can apply any of the same rules to fixed blade Schlieper knives. I've seen lots of variations with them. Maybe someone can enlighten us.

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Here is a chart for dating Ka-Bar knives. I always struggled dating Ka-Bar and I borrowed this from Voyles.

KA-BAR Knives and dating them:

1898-Tideoute Cutlery Co. formed in Tideoute, PA

1902-Factory purchased by Wallace Brown, Started in Tideoute, PA as Union Razor Company

Union Razor Company, Tideoute mark used 1902-1909 (Equivalent in Case language--Case Brothers, W. R. Case &SON)

Union Cutlery Co. Tideoute marked knives were only made 1898-to approx. 1912. (Equivalent in Case language--Case Brothers, W. R. Case & Sons)

Union Cutlery Co. with North American outline 1912-1923 (Equivalent in Case language: W. R. Case & Sons, Case Bradford PA)

Union Cutlery Co. Olean, NY 1912 first used.

OLCUT, and Keenwell also used first in the 20's.

After 1923--KA-BAR on main blade, and Union Cutlery Co. Olean, NY on either the back of the blade if a single blade, or on one of the smaller blades. These will be referred the Union mark. If I state the Union mark it means the blade will be stamped "Union Cutlery Co. Olean, NY" (Equivalent in Case Language: Case Tested)

After 1952 Union Cutlery Co. is no longer marked on the knives. (Equivalent in Case Language: XX and USA)

Kabar, USA was changed to in 1951

In the 70's a pattern number was added between the Kabar and the USA. (Equivalent in Case language: Case dots)
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Regarding Schlieper Eye Brand knives does anyone know how far back this branding goes ? Have you ever seen an old one, meaning likely made before WW II ?
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LG-IV dates Carl Schlieper to 1769.

I have personally never seen one I thought was prior to WWII and certainly not 18th or 19th century.

I suspect there is a lot of research that could be done on the brand.

I do know one thing, their knives are first rate in materials and construction.

I have a very large "Sodbuster" style knife that my Dad gave me in 1961. Whether that predates Case's Sod Buster pattern, I do not know.

This knife has the strongest backspring I have ever encountered.

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RobesonsRme.com wrote:LG-IV dates Carl Schlieper to 1769.

I have personally never seen one I thought was prior to WWII and certainly not 18th or 19th century.

I suspect there is a lot of research that could be done on the brand.

I do know one thing, their knives are first rate in materials and construction.

I have a very large "Sodbuster" style knife that my Dad gave me in 1961. Whether that predates Case's Sod Buster pattern, I do not know.

This knife has the strongest backspring I have ever encountered.

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I have always maintained that Schlieper made the 1st sodbuster pattern based on design by Forest Cruse. Somehow the name was not copywrited, trade marked or whatever. According to the Dobbs article, Cruse did copywrite or trade mark the El Gallo name in 1956, so I know he was aware of the process.
I have seen only one or two Eye Brand knives that I suspected were made prior to WWII.
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What we call a 'Sod Buster' is Case's copy of a vintage German farmer's knife, single blade, wood handle, top bolsters, with a spearpoint-like blade, that goes back to at least 1900. These were made by many Solingen knife manufacturers. Schlieper began making the Sod Buster we know maybe in 1950's ? Were they making this German farmer's knife type pattern in 1900 ? Who knows ??
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Paladin wrote:
RobesonsRme.com wrote:LG-IV dates Carl Schlieper to 1769.

I have personally never seen one I thought was prior to WWII and certainly not 18th or 19th century.

I suspect there is a lot of research that could be done on the brand.

I do know one thing, their knives are first rate in materials and construction.

I have a very large "Sodbuster" style knife that my Dad gave me in 1961. Whether that predates Case's Sod Buster pattern, I do not know.

This knife has the strongest backspring I have ever encountered.

Charlie
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I have always maintained that Schlieper made the 1st sodbuster pattern based on design by Forest Cruse. Somehow the name was not copywrited, trade marked or whatever. According to the Dobbs article, Cruse did copywrite or trade mark the El Gallo name in 1956, so I know he was aware of the process.
I have seen only one or two Eye Brand knives that I suspected were made prior to WWII.
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While the sodbuster pattern does not show up in a pre WWII Schlieper catalog, they were available from F. Herder in the early 1900s and look very similar to Schlieper models.

And yes, you are correct that pre WWII Schlieper knives are uncommon but do exist here in the US.
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There are also Schlieper fixed blades that were made for Schlieper in Japan. They still can have "Solingen" marked on them but not with "Made In" (Solingen or Germany). The two i have seen had "Japan" marked on the back tang. Both were of high fit & finish, classy looking knives.
The "Trophy" line shown above by a few posts, marked "Surgical Stainless" are knives that i have wondered if made 100% in Germany or if some or all of these "Trophy Line" knives are a Japan contract.
Anyone know for sure ? No guessing, no assumptions.
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Well I will have to say that this is 1 of the best if not the best posts of all time! Just a great ideal! Thanks for posting this!!! ::tu::
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This is some very good info,, Thanks all for your effort putting this thread together.
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Great stuff you guys, managed to accurately date a 1952 SAK Farmer.
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Fight'n Rooster does not have a "Tang Stamp Chart"
Actually the Fight'n Rooster Knives only have three (3) different blade tank stamps throughout its entire production run.
One cannot know what actual year his/her knife was made, only a grouping of year runs, with the exception of course of some master blades having a production date, and many having this date often with how many were produced.

The first stamp used on Fight'n Rooster knives (rear tang) was Frank Buster Cutlery Company Germany. The front of the blade was stamped with the two Rooster Trademark and the word Solingen underneath the roosters. There was no wording above the Roosters.
Used from 1977 - 1982.
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In 1982 the rear tang stamp was changed to Frank Buster Celebrated Cutlery Germany. The front stamp had the words Fight'n Rooster added above the two roosters.
The vast majority of Fight-n Rooster knives have this stamping, and are known as (Celebrated)
Used from 1982 - 1994.
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The rear stamp was changed in late 1994 to Frank Buster & Son Celebrated Cutlery Germany. The front rooster stamp did not change.
Used from late 1994 - Through last production.
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You will on occasion discover other Fight'n Rooster stamps, but they are not common and will not necessarily increase the value.
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I'm not sure if this can ever help anyone,but...
The most complete catalog of stamps of Russian producers I have seen. From the beginning 19th century to the present day. In Russian.

http://bladeforum.ru/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3165
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I ran across his Boker tang stamp chart from Knife World, November 2009. The chart is posted on AAPK and posted in two parts ion the very first page of this topic. However, the AAPK search engine could not pick up the post of the Boker tang stamps because the words "Boker tang stamps" were not in the text of the post, only in the JPEG file. The search engine only finds words listed in text not words in JPEG files.
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A suggestion for everyone listing tang stamp charge from this point forward; in addition to any pictures you want to post also described what it is, e.g. "Boker Tang Stamps" so that the search engine can more easily find out the chart and save someone looking through pages and pages of tang stamp charts.
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Ray (Paladin) wanted this here and it wouldn't cooperate with him so.............
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Here is a Bear and Son with the date on it.....
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I am assuming there were a totally different set of tang stamps on Case Scissors. I can't seem to locate a reference to these. Is there a ref. guide? Or does anyone recognize the age of this Scissor stamp? The font reminds me of 1928 Case Knives. I have searched until I'm blue in the face....Any help will give me the option to go on to sleep or continue with the www. THX littleoasis
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