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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:27 am 
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Just bought some Owl Head brand pocket knives, I don't know much about them...., compared to some of the other brands I have they don't seem to have a consistent "snap" (or is it "walk & talk"). One seems stiff while another feels loose...., has a "soft" snap....

the other thing I noticed is that one blade tang stamp is etched while another is actually stamped into the blade.

they are from "MUNICH Ironworks".....

They seem alright for carrying around to use & not care about damaging or losing it...

anyone care to enlighten me on the company or workmanship / quality of these knives, or general comments? Still learning the basics of knife quality & workmanship.

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I have one owls head, a 4 blade congress. It seems cheaply made with weak springs, no snap. I could be wrong but I don't believe there IS a Munich Iron Works. Mine looks more like it was made in Hang Chang China.

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lower quality chinese, german cutlery names are often used as well as american.

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Most folks believe they are made in China using a German name. After 2 years of intensive internet research, Munich Ironworks is not something I or a couple others have been able to find when it comes to knives. No, they don't have any quality consistancy at all and I rate them lower than a Rough Rider knife. You can learn a lot from the following thread about Rough Riders.
http://allaboutpocketknives.com/knife_f ... .php?t=290
I buy and tear apart some RR's, Steel Warriors and Owl head knives about yearly and have done this 3 times and what I see is that the RR's and Owl Head are the same while Steel Warrior has improved a little. (started when they first came out). The Owl head knives may have up to 4 different German names on the tang with Oil The Joints and the quality is always sketchy. There is an old thread or 2 about these knives and their mysterious beginnings. It appears that they are made in China and given a German name on the tangs, DECEPTION at work.
There is a Munich Ironworks in Germany but they do Steel Building Construuction, not knives.
Sorry but in my opinion they are not worth buying and I won't be buying any more as they just do not have the quality that low quality Chinese knives have, like the Rough Rider. Some sellers on Ebay say they are German, or German made parts assembled in China. They are sharp, but that is just the angle that they were shapened at. They have poor quality Chinese written all over them and just a few sellers know the truth and they aren't talking. Deception is the rule with these knives, their origins seem to be secretive, as you can not find an Owl Head web site after 3 years of selling, fishy! ::td::

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First off I would like to say that at one point in time (late 80's - early nineties) Owl Heads were made in Solingen, Germany by the same people who made Buck Creek and Bear & Bull (remember the older Buck Creek knives that also had "oil the joints" stamped on them. Kevin Pipes at SMKW has a nice collection of the older ones. They came in a trapper, stockman and congress pattern with various natural handle materials that included Mammoth bark ivory, genuine MOP, stag and smooth bone. I am not sure of the exact facts but at some point Hen & Rooster (or whoever owns the H&R trademark) acquired the Buck Creek name and Buck Creeks started being produced by the same people who make H&R and German Bull (now somehow affiliated with Jim Frost), and Owl Heads and Bear and Bulls dissappeared. Well in 2004 Stewart Taylor of Taylor Cutlery in Kingsport TN started importing these Chinese made Owl Heads that are stamped Munich Iron Works and have "oil the joints" etched, not stamped, on the blades (the original German made Owl Heads had "oil the joints" stamped on them as well as the double Owl Head logo and Solingen, Germany). Taylor brings these "new" owlheads in from China and has an agreement to sell every single one to a certain dealer in KY. Every year they make 2-3 different patterns in 3-4 different handle materials/colors. At the end of each year when the new production run comes out the dealer in KY sells off the remaining stock from the last production run to different dealers/jobbers around the southeast and he starts selling the new production run, with the the new patterns and handle materials/colors. If you search for Owl Heads on ebay you will be able to see who the main dealer is (He will be the only one selling Owl Heads with the patterns and handle materials that you havent seen before the last month) Along with these Chinese made Owl Heads this same Chinese company also makes Bear & Bull, German Creek, German Bobcat etc, all imported by Taylor and sold to the same KY dealer. This particular dealer does not claim that these knives are made in Germany but he also doesnt volunteer the info that they are made in China either (he will tell you they are made in China if you ask him directly though). I am not trying to bash this particular dealer or Taylor Cutlery in anyway so I hope it isnt taken that way. I am just offering up a little information that I personally know about Owl Heads, since after reading three or four different threads about how nobody has any info on them. I would like to be able to give you a site you can go to and read this info yourself but like Hukk said there is no info about the new ones on the internet. As for the older, German made Owl Heads, Buzz Parker has had several for sale on ebay in the last couple of months if anyone cares to look them up. Sorry for being so long winded with this post. I just thought I would share a little first hand information.

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Thanks Butch! That is the most I've heard and I'm happy to get the information. It also explains why my (and many others) internet searches have been fruitless. This fills in a lot of blanks for me and I appreciate it!
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The ones that I have seen were Chinese crap ::td:: and as far as not bashing the KY dealer.... I think anyone who lies or omits important information about an item he or she is selling,deserves more than just a bashing!!!...Thats called a SCAM were I come from....I think they should be barred from Ebay.IMO

Butch I mean you no disrespect only the dealer.Your posts are always very informative. ::tu::

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Hi Johnnie. No disrespect taken. I, like yourself, feel that deception by omission is the same as lying. I just felt that this forum was intended for the sharing of information and ideas and not for voicing my opinions of some of the shady, disreputable characters and practices that inhabit this hobby that we love so much. If Bryan ever decides to add a forum just for venting and flaming, I am sure you will see that we are of a like mind on things like this.

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Here is one seller that states they are made in Germany and I would bet that he knows better.
http://cgi.ebay.com/German-Owl-Head-Con ... dZViewItem

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Anyone else get the January issue of Knife World?
Nice article on "Strengthening the Knife Industry"
Seems to follow along with some of the discussions we have had on here with foriegn made knives.


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Carl,If he didn't know ,he does now..I informed him via email ::dang::

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Wow, Thanks Butch, that was a lot of information. I admit that I was disappointed in the quality of the Owl Heads, they certainly look better in a picture than having one in your hand! I have 4, and thats 3 too many! Won't be buying any more of that brand.

Thanks again for everyones input...., I really enjoy hearing some history on the different brand knives, from the top quality to the lower end cheaply made ones.

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SFC ADP wrote:
Anyone else get the January issue of Knife World?
Nice article on "Strengthening the Knife Industry"
Seems to follow along with some of the discussions we have had on here with foriegn made knives.


Hey SFC,

I got the January issue and thought the article was right out of one of our discussions like you mentioned..Big changes are happening and I wonder after reading that article and our discussions just what the future is going to look like in 25 years in the domestic cutlery business.

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