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Answer this Case Blue Scroll question?

Postby Turkey Creek Tom » Thu Oct 26, 2006 3:57 pm

In 1979 I bought this set of Case Blue Scroll's (picture). The seller told me that the reason there were two 5233's,(knifes in middle of picture) one is a 52033 , in the set is because when Case made the set in 1977 they ran out of 3 dot knives and went back and got some 1976 2 dots and put an extra dot on them to complete the set. He said that some collectors then wanted to buy the knife that had the 3rd dot added to go with their set. Therefore the reason there's two in the set I bought.
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Postby jonet143 » Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:27 pm

parkers guide lists the 1977 blue scroll stag set as 8 folders and 4 sheath knives. no mention of the seller story.
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Postby ButchTN » Thu Oct 26, 2006 5:52 pm

Hi. The 1976 Case knives would have had 4 dots. The 1978 Case knives would have had two dots. I personally have never heard of Case adding an additional dot to any knives to complete a set but I am by NO means a Case authority. There are many others on the message board who could probably give you a more definitive answer.

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Postby jonet143 » Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:18 pm

that's right butch. if the knife has been altered to a three dot it would have to have been a 78 or 79. and case did not alter it. that was my point though i did'nt elaborate.
can you show a picture of the knife tang in question?
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Postby El Lobo » Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:13 pm

Well now,

I'm not really a Case collector, but I do enjoy the research and the hunt. ::nod::

That said, on page 202 of Houston Price's Guide (vol. 14) the following knives, that might be of interest, are listed.....

A 5233SSP....4 dots....1977....Stag
A 5233SSP...3 dots...1978...Stag
A 52033SSP...3 dots...1978...Stag

Might be relevant...might not, as it doesn't mention Blue Scroll...or why the dots don't match the years.

Maybe Knifekid, or knifeaholic, or one of the Sharps ( :mrgreen: ) on this brand will weigh in here.

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Postby jonet143 » Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:40 pm

hey bill, just above those examples are a couple of 5232 with mismatched dots and a reference to collector sets. odd, eh?
case did use earlier blades that were left over on some knives, but they did not add dots.
perhaps shirley@case would be the source for a definitive answer. she's pretty sharp!
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Postby El Lobo » Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:28 pm

Well Johnnie,

You made me keep looking...and on page 201, a 52131 3 dot ...1978... Blue scroll Stag Canoe is listed. Very strange. ::paranoid::

Last I'd heard, Shirley was pretty sick, but I notice she did check in to the Case Forum recently.

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Postby jonet143 » Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:36 pm

i saw that one as well. i checked the other forum and she's back. i read somewhere that they used older blades on occasion. that's plausible but not adding dots to a blade to make it conform. obviously not a four dot blade to a three dot blade. a 78 or 79 blade could be changed, but not by case.
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Re: Answer this Case Blue Scroll question?

Postby Turkey Creek Tom » Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:35 pm

Turkey Creek Tom wrote:In 1979 I bought this set of Case Blue Scroll's (picture). The seller told me that the reason there were two 5233's,(knifes in middle of picture) one is a 52033 , in the set is because when Case made the set in 1977 they ran out of 3 dot knives and went back and got some 1976 2 dots and put an extra dot on them to complete the set. He said that some collectors then wanted to buy the knife that had the 3rd dot added to go with their set. Therefore the reason there's two in the set I bought.
Is this right CASEMEN?


EXCUSE PLEASE:~I SAID 1976 IN THE ABOVE WHEN I SHOULD HAVE SAID 1978

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Postby knifeaholic » Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:38 am

Okay...do you guys want the real story?

First, to the best of my knowledge, Case would NEVER alter a knife by adding a dot....would be impossible anyway after the blade has been heat treated (hardened).

Case changed their tooling on the '33 pattern - the basic 6233 and 6333 that were standard products in the Case line - to the new style 62033 and 63033 about halfway into the year 1977. So it follows that if they were in the process of making up the 1977 blue scroll stag knives in multiple runs during the year, that the first runs of the '33 pattern made for the stag sets would use the older style 33 tooling for the first runs and the newr style 033 tooling for the later ones. So both variations were made in 1977, i imagine that the older 5233 style is rarer than the 52033 stlye, but I do not know. Case closed.

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Postby 4ever3 » Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:56 am

Steve, I would like to say one word, no two... Book PLEASE

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blue scroll

Postby stockman » Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:41 pm

jonet143 wrote:parkers guide lists the 1977 blue scroll stag set as 8 folders and 4 sheath knives. no mention of the seller story.
Also on page 116 CASE The First 100 Years there is a Blue Scroll 75th Anniversary set with engraved bolsters this set has eight floding knives only one 33 pattern. What is the difference between the 33 and the033?

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Postby jonet143 » Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:01 pm

i think that set came out in 1980. 1905-1980.
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Postby jonet143 » Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:28 pm

here is my a62033
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Postby jonet143 » Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:24 pm

did'nt the 1976 stag set have two cheetahs, 5111 1/2?
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