Ulster Collecting
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Nice Barlow Ozzie (and very nice Stockman too); here are a few of my Ulster's (only own a few). The Barlow came on the 14th, the others I've had awhile. OH
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Nice ones guys.
Ozzie you always have some mint beauties.
Ozzie you always have some mint beauties.
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Here is my latest Ulster, its 3 3/8" closed and is etched RAZOR STEEL with the picture of a stag in between the words. Never seen one like this before!
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Another very nice old knife. Mike,I'm really getting to enjoy the old ebony knives....
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galvanic1882 wrote:Here is my latest Ulster, its 3 3/8" closed and is etched RAZOR STEEL with the picture of a stag in between the words. Never seen one like this before!
Love old Ebony Jacks
That one is a beaut!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dig half stops!!
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Galvanic, your ebony handled jack is a classic! I've picked a few more up since I last posted, both NOS Delrin handled knives; a sawcut BSA and a Prince Albert Ulster. OH
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Here's a Ulster hawkbill I received the other day.
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Awesome knife Shearer.
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Thanks philco.
It seems to have a different tang stamp.It has Ulster Knife USA, where the later stamp is Ulster USA.?
Grant
It seems to have a different tang stamp.It has Ulster Knife USA, where the later stamp is Ulster USA.?
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I noticed that. Can't say I've ever encountered that tang stamp. Very interesting item IMO.
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Looks like it might have been an older stamped blade,maybe in transition to the newer Ulster stamp. A very nice example Grant.
Ulster made some of the nicest farmer jacks I have,I respect their quality,especially the older ones.
Ulster made some of the nicest farmer jacks I have,I respect their quality,especially the older ones.
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wonder if the Dwight Divine helps date it
I read the history, from Ellenville co=op to Ulster to Divine family on to Baer brothers and Imperial Schrade
I got some Kingston tang stamped , low end knives I will post somewhere, think there is a connection/transition with Ulster
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WWI(?) U.S. Signal Corps. Not too bad a shape for a 100-year old knife
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I see Thawk has one of these
did not know it was made by Ulster till I saw some with Ulster tang stamp and diff handle colors/ materials
it is not cell, is it pyrex? what do you call this pattern? looks like waterfall or finger print with a eye
doing research I saw that this Whittler has more blade loss than I noticed at first, I was looking at HSB's and did not know who made it
did not know it was made by Ulster till I saw some with Ulster tang stamp and diff handle colors/ materials
it is not cell, is it pyrex? what do you call this pattern? looks like waterfall or finger print with a eye
doing research I saw that this Whittler has more blade loss than I noticed at first, I was looking at HSB's and did not know who made it
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Did you mean Pyroxylin? (The only Pyrex I know was glass cookware).
Pyroxylin was a name Camillus used for celluloid.
That handle looks like some of the celluloid I have seen on some NYK knives.
It sure is pretty stuff. It makes beautiful handles. Incidentally, that celluloid seems pretty stable. I have not seen that type of celluloid off gas, not that it cannot; it just seems to be one of the more stable forms of celluloid.
Pyroxylin was a name Camillus used for celluloid.
That handle looks like some of the celluloid I have seen on some NYK knives.
It sure is pretty stuff. It makes beautiful handles. Incidentally, that celluloid seems pretty stable. I have not seen that type of celluloid off gas, not that it cannot; it just seems to be one of the more stable forms of celluloid.
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Hi Dale. yeah, that's what I meant, to lazy to look it up
no shrinkage at all
just got a Aerial big equal end pen with almost the same handles, not sure where to post it and the Golden Rule Co I got also, my first one's by those old makers
did you see the Divine Ulster 2778 right above, I guess it is not very special.
no shrinkage at all
just got a Aerial big equal end pen with almost the same handles, not sure where to post it and the Golden Rule Co I got also, my first one's by those old makers
did you see the Divine Ulster 2778 right above, I guess it is not very special.
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I did see it Mick, I was concentrating on your question about the handles and forgot to comment on it the jack.
I love the pattern! Nice bone on it too.
The Dwight Divine organized Ulster as Dwight Divine & Sons in 1926. I believe the Dwight Divine & Sons stamp was used until 1941. So your knife was made between 1926 & 1941.
Ulster started as Ulster Knife Works in 1870 in Naugatuck, CT as a cooperative of cutlers, mostly trained in Sheffield. It moved to Ellenville in 1871. It was nearly bankrupt by 1875 and was on very shaky financial footing when Dwight Divine took over the responsibility of the company in 1878. Dwight Divine really made Ulster the cutlery powerhouse that it was. He fixed the financial mess it was in, made it a success and one of the most popular knife brands in the country.
Dwight Divine died in 1932, (an auto accident IIRC), and his sons ran the company until 1941 when they sold it to Albert Baer, et al.
I love the pattern! Nice bone on it too.
The Dwight Divine organized Ulster as Dwight Divine & Sons in 1926. I believe the Dwight Divine & Sons stamp was used until 1941. So your knife was made between 1926 & 1941.
Ulster started as Ulster Knife Works in 1870 in Naugatuck, CT as a cooperative of cutlers, mostly trained in Sheffield. It moved to Ellenville in 1871. It was nearly bankrupt by 1875 and was on very shaky financial footing when Dwight Divine took over the responsibility of the company in 1878. Dwight Divine really made Ulster the cutlery powerhouse that it was. He fixed the financial mess it was in, made it a success and one of the most popular knife brands in the country.
Dwight Divine died in 1932, (an auto accident IIRC), and his sons ran the company until 1941 when they sold it to Albert Baer, et al.
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Thanks Dale, did Ulster put that Dwight Divine and Sons tang stamp on only certain knives? is it a common Ulster stamp? I was hoping it indicated a higher quality Ulster made knife
that Pyroxylin handled knife is definitely Ulster made, does the blade loss really hurt it's value. I saw exactly same knife with Ulster tang stamp and solid color handle go for twice the money I paid for mine but they have full blades, mine may have 15% loss. mine has the HSB tang stamp and it is tight and stamps with half stops, any idea on age?
that Pyroxylin handled knife is definitely Ulster made, does the blade loss really hurt it's value. I saw exactly same knife with Ulster tang stamp and solid color handle go for twice the money I paid for mine but they have full blades, mine may have 15% loss. mine has the HSB tang stamp and it is tight and stamps with half stops, any idea on age?
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I am not 100% sure if the Dwight Divine and Sons tang stamp is an indicated a higher quality knife, but that seems to be the case from the examples I have seen with that tang stamp.
Blade loss always hurts the value of a knife unless it is a super rare knife, which unfortunately that knife is not.
I use the NKCA grading standards that I got from their website.
They are as follows:
Mint - A knife that is absolutely original as it came from the manufacturer. Never used, carried, sharpened, nor heavily cleaned. An unblemished knife.
Near Mint - A new-condition knife that may show very slight signs of carry or shop wear. Blades are not worn and snap perfectly. Handles show no cracks. Most of original finish is obvious.
Excellent - A knife that shows no more than 10 percent blade wear. Handles are sound with no cracks. Blades snap well. Some discoloration of blades or handles is acceptable. May have been heavily cleaned.
Very Good - A knife with up to 25 percent blade wear, slight cracks in handles. No blades nor other parts replaced or repaired. Stamping clearly visible to the naked eye.
Fair - A knife with up to 50 percent blade wear, cracks, or chips in handles. Blades "lazy" (lacking snap) and may have been repaired. Stamping faint but readable with magnifying glass.
Poor - Blades very worn or may have been replaced with ones of same type. Handles bad or missing. Reading of stamping nearly impossible. A knife valued for its parts.
By this grading system your knife would drop from Excellent down to Very Good considering blade loss only.
I don’t know when that knife was made, but I would think in the 1930, maybe the 1920s.
Hope this helps.
Blade loss always hurts the value of a knife unless it is a super rare knife, which unfortunately that knife is not.
I use the NKCA grading standards that I got from their website.
They are as follows:
Mint - A knife that is absolutely original as it came from the manufacturer. Never used, carried, sharpened, nor heavily cleaned. An unblemished knife.
Near Mint - A new-condition knife that may show very slight signs of carry or shop wear. Blades are not worn and snap perfectly. Handles show no cracks. Most of original finish is obvious.
Excellent - A knife that shows no more than 10 percent blade wear. Handles are sound with no cracks. Blades snap well. Some discoloration of blades or handles is acceptable. May have been heavily cleaned.
Very Good - A knife with up to 25 percent blade wear, slight cracks in handles. No blades nor other parts replaced or repaired. Stamping clearly visible to the naked eye.
Fair - A knife with up to 50 percent blade wear, cracks, or chips in handles. Blades "lazy" (lacking snap) and may have been repaired. Stamping faint but readable with magnifying glass.
Poor - Blades very worn or may have been replaced with ones of same type. Handles bad or missing. Reading of stamping nearly impossible. A knife valued for its parts.
By this grading system your knife would drop from Excellent down to Very Good considering blade loss only.
I don’t know when that knife was made, but I would think in the 1930, maybe the 1920s.
Hope this helps.
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yes it did Dale, thanks
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Two Kingstons
When Albert Baer was putting together Imperial Schrade the Kingston knife Co was what he called it for a few years
He already had Ulster and bought out the Miranda brothers Imperial, then got Schrade of walden and had the largest knife manufacturing company in the country or world
Kingston only lasted as a company for about 2 years, then became a model of Imperial Schrade in Ellenville
it was above Imperial but below Schrade in price and quality
not sure what these are and my history is from memory so feel free to school me
there is a Ulster connection and who knows where these were manufactured, Walden or Ellenville, were they from the short lived Kingston company or Imperial Schrade conglomerate ??
When Albert Baer was putting together Imperial Schrade the Kingston knife Co was what he called it for a few years
He already had Ulster and bought out the Miranda brothers Imperial, then got Schrade of walden and had the largest knife manufacturing company in the country or world
Kingston only lasted as a company for about 2 years, then became a model of Imperial Schrade in Ellenville
it was above Imperial but below Schrade in price and quality
not sure what these are and my history is from memory so feel free to school me
there is a Ulster connection and who knows where these were manufactured, Walden or Ellenville, were they from the short lived Kingston company or Imperial Schrade conglomerate ??
The only mystery in life is why the kamikaze pilots wore helmets.
Mickey
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Just culled this from the 'bay, my first Ulster
Seller listed it as stag, 3¾" closed, stamped 114, Ulster, USA.
Obviously not stag...
Sellers Pics: [/color]
Seller listed it as stag, 3¾" closed, stamped 114, Ulster, USA.
Obviously not stag...
Sellers Pics: [/color]
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Here is one that a friend bought at the Easton Show. It is a beautiful piece and a rare handle shape!!!
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Just added this Ulster Advertiser
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