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 Post subject: robeson stag cheetah
PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:46 am 
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I picked up this knife today and had some questions?

Did Robeson have a name for this pattern? I know Case called them Cheetahs?

When was it made?

Is this a rare Robeson or were there many made?

The front tang is stamped" ROBESON SUREDGE USA" in 3 lines. The back tang is stamped 513872. Th blade has "ROBESON SUREDGE FROZEN HEAT" etched on it.

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 Post subject: Re: robeson stag cheetah
PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:32 am 
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Don't know anything about it or it rarity, but I sure do like it ::tu:: ::tu::

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 Post subject: Re: robeson stag cheetah
PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:11 pm 
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i do know that they made that pattern as early as the late 1920s and anything made by robeson with stag is rare i would guess that yours is from late 40s or early 50s i have 3 of this pattern all in brown bone and i watch them go on ebay between $250 AND $400 in brown bone,but when charlie robesonsrme sees this and chimes in he will be able to tell you everything about it in detail nice knife and just a heads up robeson worked real hard at making the swing guard look nice on them and they rountinely ground them to well and the swing guards will come apart really easy as they finished away to much material many of them have this missing on them

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 Post subject: Re: robeson stag cheetah
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:15 am 
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Nice one!I have one that has(had)cream celluloid scales on it.One side destroyed itself and the other remained as new.Go figure! I wound up replacing only the destroyed scale with a piece of wood.It might not match but it makes the knife still serviceable.


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 Post subject: Re: robeson stag cheetah
PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:27 am 
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Robeson made close to a thousand different patterns of pocketknives. By the time of WWII, they were in big financial difficulties and were bought out by a businessman named Saul Frankel. That was in 1940. Frankel hired Emerson Case to run the company. They drastically reduced the number of available patterns, and did well with U.S. military contracts throughout the War. In 1948, they started using that beautiful strawberry bone. They eventually succumbed in 1965.

One of the patterns they continued after the War was the 872 folding hunter with folding guards. They made it in bone, yellow composition and genuine stag.

I think they only continued three, possibly four stag handled patterns after the War.

Your 513872 is a nice knife. If in mint or near mint condition, the value is about $250.00 or whatever someone is willing to pay for it.

The older pre-War examples command more money. They made two versions with a locking blade, one with a clip and one with a spear. I've never seen a spear bladed version that wasn't in near relic condition.

I've yet to see a non-locking Robeson 872, like yours, with a pre-War tang stamp. I think doing away with the locking blade mechanism was another cost saving move.

As a side note, it has been recently discovered that Robeson produced knives like yours with a bronze bearing imbedded in the backspring, making it a part of the Perma-Lube line. Take a look at your knife's backspring, where the end of the tang bares on it.

If the bronze bearing is there, the value of your knife goes up precipitously.

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 Post subject: Re: robeson stag cheetah
PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:21 am 
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WOW, you are the man when it comes to Robesons.

I just checked and there is no bronze bearing.

When you talk pre and post war stamp are you referring to the Shuredge being in cursive?


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 Post subject: Re: robeson stag cheetah
PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:37 am 
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Correct. Robeson ShurEdge marked knives made between about 1903 and 1940 have the word "ShurEdge" in cursive. The post 1940 knives have it in block letters.
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 Post subject: Re: robeson stag cheetah
PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:46 pm 
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RobesonsRme.com wrote:
Correct. Robeson ShurEdge marked knives made between about 1903 and 1940 have the word "ShurEdge" in cursive. The post 1940 knives have it in block letters.
Charlie Noyes


Charlie;

Did Robeson make the Perma Lube knives after WWII with the block letter stamping?

Also, I have seen examples of the posted knife with the block letter stamping in stag and in yellow - did you say they made it in bone as well? I have never seen one in strawberry bone with the block letter stamping.

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 Post subject: Re: robeson stag cheetah
PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:42 pm 
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I think I stated "bone", not specifying strawberry bone.

I have a bone example, but I do not call it strawberry. The jigging is not the same and the color is a bit off. It has the proper pattern number 612872, for bone handles.

Here 'tis. The photo will expand with a left click, or two.

BTW; this is the only bone handled, post-war example I've ever seen. Maybe, they're rare.

Steve, I think they did continue with the Perma-Lube line after WWII. I only have one example of a Perma-Lube, a little whittler.

As you can see, it has a pre-war stamp.


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 Post subject: Re: robeson stag cheetah
PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:53 pm 
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I would love to see a pic of the bronze bearing if you have one handy.


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 Post subject: Re: robeson stag cheetah
PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:23 pm 
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I don't.

Personally, Michael, I think if you're going to post knives and queries on AAPK just to garner information that you yourself do not possess, just so you can list the knife on Ebay to your maximum benefit, you should use one of the other forums and keep the commercial aspect off Knife Lore. That is not the purpose of this forum.

I'm happy to help you make money, but I'll not respond to any more such queries in this particular forum.

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 Post subject: Re: robeson stag cheetah
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Charlie,

This one I just recently bought, which you were so kind to tell me about, has the Bronze bearing.

The tang stamp is very very light, I can only make out the "SHUREDGE" in block letters on the bottom.


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 Post subject: Re: robeson stag cheetah
PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 9:14 pm 
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I am sorry, I did not know I used knife lore. I just clicked new topic. What forum should I have used?

I did not know that it would get personal if you selected the wrong topic.


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 Post subject: Re: robeson stag cheetah
PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:18 am 
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I did not mean for that to sound so offensive. It was terse and I apologize.

You had to have been in Knife Lore when you clicked "New Topic". You have posted queries repeatedly on Knife Lore about a knife or knives you have acquired, we discussed the knives at length and then you listed them on Ebay.

I don't really have a problem with that, just use a different forum and I and others will be glad to assist you.

I would suggest Knife Related Q&A.

Knife Lore is a forum for collectors to discuss the knives of their passions, not the place for a dealer to gather info for his next auction.

When I first joined AAPK, I naively began posting active Ebay auctions, not my own, for old vintage knives in Knife Lore. Several veteran members were offended by that and contacted the moderator who then contacted me and asked that I cease to do so. I got the message, so I'm passing it along.

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 Post subject: Re: robeson stag cheetah
PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:43 am 
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No problem, I just had never seen it prompt me to select a category or topic.

I think it is no suprise to everyone that I sell knives and do use the information gleaned from this website to help "sell" my knives but that is not the only reason I come here. Knives that are poorly described usually do not sell well. I try to help out on knives that I know a little about instead of always taking and never giving to the site.

I hope people do not view the guys that sell knives as villans because of their proffession. I do have a great passion for knives and Im crazy about them. I just consider myself lucky to sell knives and beat the bushes to find gems like this one.

You are still number one in my book when it comes to Robesons and I am sure you feel used sometimes in situations like these but there is just not enough printed material out there and websites like these are worth a kings ransom to me.


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