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 Post subject: Antique Quill Knives
PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:13 pm 
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I think Quill knives are very interesting to collect. They are from a time long gone by where you had to sharpen a feather to use as a writing instrument. They all but disappeared in their true form by the 1830`s. So most authentic early Quill knives are at least 172 years old.

Here is some good information from Wikipedia on the subject:


"A quill pen is a writing implement made from a flight feather (preferably a primary wing-feather) of a large bird. Quills were used for writing with ink before the invention of the dip pen, metal-nibbed pens, the fountain pen, and, eventually, the ballpoint pen. The hand-cut goose quill is rarely still used as a calligraphy tool, mainly because many papers are derived from wood pulp and wear down the quill very quickly, but it is still the tool of choice for a few select professionals and does provide a sharp stroke, and more flexibility than a steel pen. The hollow shaft of the feather (calamus) acts as an ink reservoir and ink flows to the tip by capillary action.

The strongest quills come from the primary flight feathers discarded by birds during their annual moult. Generally the left wing is favored by the right-handed majority of writers because the feathers curve out to the right, away from the hand holding the pen, but because of the current scarcity of substantial quills this is usually overlooked as the curvature is not actually so pronounced as to cause any difficulty to the professional.

Goose feathers are most commonly used; scarcer, more expensive swan feathers are considered premium. Depending on availability and strength of the feather, as well as quality/characteristic of the line wanted by the writer, other feathers used for quill-pen making include feathers from the swan, goose, crow, eagle, owl, hawk, and turkey. The barbs are always stripped off partially or completely as they are an impractical distraction. The fancy, fully plumed quill is mostly a Hollywood invention and has little basis in reality. Most, if not all, manuscript illustrations of scribes show a quill devoid of decorative barbs, or at least mostly stripped.

History
Quills were the principal writing instrument from the 6th to the 19th century, the best of which were usually made from goose and swan feathers, and later, turkey feathers, However, quills went into decline after the invention of the metal pen, first patented in America in 1810 and then mass produced by 1860.

According to the Supreme Court Historical Society, 20 goose-quill pens, neatly crossed, are placed at the four counsel tables each day the U.S. Supreme Court is in session; "most lawyers appear before the Court only once, and gladly take the quills home as souvenirs." This has been done since the earliest sessions of the Court.

Quills are denominated from the order in which they are fixed in the wing, the first called the pinion is that favoured by the expert calligrapher, the second and third quills being very satisfactory also. No other feather on the wing would be considered suitable by a professional scribe.

Information can be obtained on the techniques of curing and cutting quills

"In order to harden a quill that is soft, thrust the barrel into hot ashes, stirring it till it is soft; then taking it out, press it almost flat upon your knees with the back of a penknife, and afterwards reduce it to a roundness with your fingers. If you have a number to harden, set water and alum over the fire; and while it is boiling put in a handful of quills, the barrels only, for a minute, and then lay them by."

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A quill knife was the original primary tool used for cutting and sharpening quills, known as 'dressing'.

Following the decline of the quill in the 1820s, following the introduction of the maintenance-free, steel dip nib, knives were still manufactured but became known as desk knives, stationery knives or latterly as the name stuck 'pen' knives. There is a small but significant difference between a pen knife and a quill knife, in that the quill knife has a blade that is flat on one side and convex on the other which facilitates the round cuts required to shape a quill.

A 'pen' knife by contrast has two flat sides. This distinction is not recognised by modern traders, dealers or collectors who define a quill knife as any small knife with a fixed or hinged blade, including such items as ornamental fruit knives."

Let`s see your old Quill knives.

Here is a J. Rodgers & Son`s G (crown) R, circa 1820-1830. I love the stag handles on this one ::drool::


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 Post subject: Re: Antique Quill Knives
PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:44 pm 
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The stag Joseph Rodger's quill is a magnificent piece! :mrgreen:

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That is very nice. The stag is fantastic. Thanks for the information aswell. I think this is my only quill knife.... sadly, no maker's mark. :) s-k

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::tu:: thanks for all that info miller bros. i only have one too ! new york knife co.


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 Post subject: Re: Antique Quill Knives
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Dimitri, thanks for that valuable information.
Your knife is beautiful. Driping with history.
May I ask; what would one expect to pay for something that nice?

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Here are a couple of oldies. First, is an ivory American Knife Co. Plymouth. c1849-1875. The second one is just marked "Union". I asked on Levine's forum which Union he believed it to be. He stated with the font used that he would suspect Union, Naugatuck. c1851-1885.


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paulsvintage wrote:
i only have one too ! new york knife co.


Paul, your knife is a Serpentine or, if it is under 3", a Peanut jack pattern ::nod::

smiling-knife wrote:
I think this is my only quill knife.... sadly, no maker's mark


S-K, it is sad that many of the later 19th century Quills are not marked, I have several :(


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May I ask; what would one expect to pay for something that nice?


I would imagine around $100 ::shrug:: , unfortunately they do not bring in a premium dollar. Not many small single bladed knives do.

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The stag Joseph Rodger's quill is a magnificent piece!


Thanks ::tu:: :D

I have enjoyed seeing the ones posted so far, I know there are many more out there :wink:

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Miller Bro`s wrote:
paulsvintage wrote:
i only have one too ! new york knife co.


Paul, your knife is a Serpentine or, if it is under 3", a Peanut jack pattern ::nod::
::tear:: 3 inches i will have to change the paperwork on it
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I think this is my only quill knife.... sadly, no maker's mark


S-K, it is sad that many of the later 19th century Quills are not marked, I have several :(


FRJ wrote:
May I ask; what would one expect to pay for something that nice?


I would imagine around $100 ::shrug:: , unfortunately they do not bring in a premium dollar. Not many small single bladed knives do.

knifegirl888 wrote:
The stag Joseph Rodger's quill is a magnificent piece!


Thanks ::tu:: :D

I have enjoyed seeing the ones posted so far, I know there are more out there :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Antique Quill Knives
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These are the only two of mine I have half decent pictures of. I buy everyone I can find at a reasonable price. I really like them they are so finely made.



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Those are cool! Do you know who made them?

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On most of these quill knives, the blade seems to be about half the length of the handles, is this the norm or is it from years of sharpening?

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From my observation, the blades weren't intended to be very long. My quills have all seen lots of use though. Here is a picture of a quill (I don't know the maker) & the side view of it.


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tjmurphy wrote:
On most of these quill knives, the blade seems to be about half the length of the handles, is this the norm or is it from years of sharpening?


TJ,

The blades are this length because the backspring wraps around and extends much further into the blade cavity than a normal knife would ::nod::

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[quote="Miller Bro`s"]I think Quill knives are very interesting to collect. They are from a time long gone by where you had to sharpen a feather to use as a writing instrument. They all but disappeared in their true form by the 1830`s. So most authentic early Quill knives are at least 172 years old.

I'm so glad to be reaquointed with this thread because I have since bought a nice quill, but it aint 172 years old.

It is a Northfield that I posted on the "Northfield" thread I started. I am very happy to have this knife.
The handle is horn. Thanks for looking.


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::super_happy:: Joe thats a real nice one and that tang stamp makes it even nicer

i have one i think it might be a Miller brothers . i don't have much info on old Miller brothers prior to 1910


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