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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 12:07 am 
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Thankyou very much Timstools thats it. LT

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:08 pm 
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Hello everyone just an update on some of the stuff going on as usual it is slow. Like the marines say the difficult we do immediately the impossible takes a little longer. In any event here is an attachment with some of the issues we are addressing. Stay well all and let me know if you are in the area and want a free tour of the temporary museum. If I am not in some casino I am usually here. LT


STATUS OF THE WAWASING HOSTORICAL SOCIETY AND KNIFE MUSEUM


NEED STATUS

Ten member board of trustees four years functioning once a month

Building to house museum Napanoch school leased from Town
No rent-2 yr. Lease

Constitution and By-Laws completed

Charter provisional charter from NYSDE

Liability policy in force

Knife Museum Curator Richard Langston appointed

Town Historian to be appointed by Town

501c3 pending

Knife collections sufficient available for two museums
From local collectors

Historical memorabilia recent promise of a large collection

Internet awareness available on AAPK-All About Pocket
Knives—log on for 26 page spread.
Many in knife collecting world awaiting
our opening.

Turn on electricity May 1st

Fire/Burglar alarm systems awaiting electricity-next priority

Video Security system donated video system will complete
System already in place

Bars on windows being considered

New door locks in process- needs electricity

Highway sign awaiting Spring- Town approval and
DOT approval-sign selected and to be
donated by the Town .

Membership Just over 50 and need 250

Water and sewer following May 1st.

Fuel Oil Fall 2011

Computer and software for catlogue
And insurance plus software no progress

Volunteers for museums to be advertised

Collections Insurance last to be purchased at a cost of
at least $4000 per year for $1 million
Policy. A major obstacle affecting
Museum opening

Funding Present balance will allow us to open
but not stay open. Must have
guaranteed funds to cover insurance
until self sufficient.

Acquisitions large Schrade-Walden display case.
Other items awaiting acquisition

Certificate of Occupancy received

Museum prototype on view at Curators residence. Call Richard Langston @ 845-895-3501—or e-mail lt632ret.@frontiernet.net for free tour.

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Thanks for the update LT!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:14 pm 
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Rich,

Any new progress to report? ::suspense::

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:52 am 
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Hello well there are a few things which have transpired first there was a knife shop in Pine Bush NY which is kind of between Wallkill where I live and Napanoch which is where the permanent museum is to be located. They decided that it was more profitable to do shows as a primary way to sell knives. Unfortunately they chose to close we managed to find the funding to buy there brand new display cases and counters it was a difficult move since rhe display counters were attached to walls and floors but one of our executive board members is a master carpenter and with him in the lead we summoned up 3 pickups and around 6 people ( pretty much most of our available work force) we managed to get everything over to the new site. They really are some beautiful display cases. We have turned on the electricity at the permanent site and are proceding with getting the security systems fully operational. Systems will include the ability to visually check the museum day or nite via computer log in. As well as security to the building as designated by state law for the display of these items. We also were offered a cache of artifacts ( which for obvious reasons I cannot explain further since the deal is not consumated ) however the purchase funding is substancial so we are attempting to acquire if possible. I have not been writing or doing as much as I should partially for personal reasons. To para phrase an old saying never have so few done so much with virtually nothing . In any event we are shooting for a spring opening ( ie next year. ) I have been giving tours upon request and we are getting a membership ( THANKYOU ALL ) . I hope to be at the New York State Rifle and Pistol ASSN annual installation day on JUNE 11, 2011 with a display and trying to recruit new members and those who may wish to preserve this American history. I have not gone into it before but the law which I wrote and took me 8 years to get through the ( dysfunctional) NYS legislature details a legal procedure for the display of automatic knives in New York State also allows members of legal organizations certain advantages for the possession and carry of these items. As most are probably unaware New York State under its exceptions clause of its version of the switchblade( idiot ). laws does allow for the legal possession and carrying of automatic knives if the possesser has a New York State Hunting Fishing or Trapping license and is in the legal action of any of these endeavers. Which means if you have a fishing rod in the car you may be in the act of this endeaver. Actually if you have a gun on it could also be so interpreted going hunting. Frankly it is a pretty stupid law to rely on but then again making a switchblade knife any more illegal than any other knife or other tool for that matter is even more stupid. However it is a loop hole and for once it works on the side of logic and reason. There are also exceptions for peace officers , military ect.( again most people are unaware that this legality exists I in fact had to explain it to the New York state assembly it also usually has to be pointed out to most police agencys) However under my now a law, members will be covered it allows for members of a duly chartered legal museum or historical society which meets legal criteria, to carry own display ect these items when duly authorized,by such an accredited organization for the benefit and promotion and preservation of the historical educational history, to persue the study, and conserve the artifacts relating to this study. In order to do this members need to carry and collect as well in general pursue these aspects of the study of automatics. What this means is that if authorized as a member and so designated, members may legally carry ( ie transport ) ect these items not only under the Hunting fishing trapping clause but also as a member of an educational historical museum so designated as a legal state organization for such items .

Now getting back to what I originally was explaining as to what our plans are one of the ways in which we hope to raise funding is by having at least an annual Historical museum and knife show and competition. Where for the first time since the ( idiot) switchblade laws were enacted will allow legal competitions for the best exhibits for knifes and historical artifacts (of all catagorys including automatics) collections in the country to be displayed and judged. Trophys and awards hopefully will be given for the best collections not only of automatics but other catagorys. So collectors who have had grandads collection of Case zippers and grizzlys will be able by being a member to dust them off and LEGALLY show them off and possible win a trophy stating best legal automatic switchblade collection in NEW YORK STATE for whatever year it is. Collectors will be able for the first time in NY to show off lifetimes of collecting and preservation of these artifacts and in fact be reconized. While allowing the general public to finally get to see the actual items that for most with interest can only find referenced in books and pictures

Nothing is perfect and while we now have opened up new avenues for the preservation of these artifacts there are still rules. Only members are covered under the new law since it involves the preservation for historical study and educational purposes . Therefore only those who are members will be allowed to display. It must be understood that we will not be selling automatics at the show. Again our goal is to promote the understanding and story of this aspect of American History. However as members you will be legally able to transport in NYS your items for display and be able to be in the competition for what should hopefully become a coveted award . As well as discuss trade or in general deal with other members. People of the general public at the show would also be able to contact members regarding any questions they might have regarding these items.

Now this being said it should again be noted that this venue will now give a legal chance for members to persue this study by displaying , swaping or otherwise engage in this hobby or study as is allowed with any legal study. While only members will be legally able to display the general public will obviously be allowed to come and view the exhibits ( this is in part a fund raiser). Regular knives as well as certain other related items will be allowed to be sold to the general public. THERE WILL BE NO GUNS Sold or displayed with the exception of related knife artifact related. It is hoped that making people aware that a knife which opens with a spring is certainly not any more dangerous than any other tool such as a chain saw , nail gun, hammer, screw driver , or any other tool especially since some of the ones I have are around 200 years old.

Right now we are moving along I will tell you that these stupid laws have been a peeve of mine for a lifetime in fact I truly hope that I live to see this history saved . I am sorry that I do not post more however as you can see I mainly handle this aspect and it is only one of many and to be honest I do not have the gusto I used to . Medicare this year . Turning 65 officially a member of the Obama Ice Floe coalition. ( I hope they save me a seat). All this has taken years but actually there may be some light at the end of the tunnel.

I will try to keep you posted but, if you have any questions please let me know questions force me to sit down when I do, I babble out some information that I would not have sat down to do.

To those who have written looking for a part I simply have not gotten to it . If you can find your way here and let me know you may dig free for parts . My especial apology to Tom Chase I just have not gotten deep enough into the pile to locate handles for you 2 OT and 3 OT I think that is what you are looking for.

All this being said there is more going on but this is the gist of it . PS
It should be noted that the law i wrote is for NYS . Any members from other states should be aware of the laws governing transportation especially interstate. One thing to realise is the federal law is specific in not allowing transport interstate for commerce. However in the case of a show to display you would not be selling ( not commerce) and In NY being a member should cover you . However most NY enforcment agencys are unaware of what the law actually state. So be advised.

PPS Since you had to read all this here is a present an english auto in ivory with filed liners . Alot of stuff popping up due to the economy. I have recently picked up several nice pieces . More money I will never spend on wimmen , liquor and cards . Oh well perhapes in the future someone will enjoy seeing this old example of knife history. LT


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That is a sweet, sweet auto LT! ::tu:: ::tu::

Thanks for the info & update on the museum.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:24 pm 
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Rich,

Thank you for the explanation of the N.Y knife laws. It is a step in the right direction, now if every state in the union would get rid of the these ridiculous switchblade knife laws ::pray::

I hope to visit the museum next year when I have more time to travel ::nod::


That is a nice old English auto ::tu:: Who is the maker?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:25 am 
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Dang it LT...If i would have known Mike was selling out those display cases...I would have been all over them...great display cases!

HOWEVER- I am extremely Happy that you were able to caoture them for the museum...that's more important.

Can't wait to come back up for a visit!

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Regarding the English maker I cannot get enough of a read ( see attached pics ). I can make out what seems sheffield which is no surprise I really thought before examining that it would be a wolstonholm since I have a similar knife that is . However there were many makers and I am not that familiar with them all. I have found it quite rare to come accross autos from this era I have a few but this is the first in this size and it is ivory the liners are hand milled. The blade is short. it is touchy to keep closed must put pressure on the ivory handles and release slowly for it to stay. the previous owner said that it was fine and then he oiled it . I asked why if it functioned correctly??? He said apparently it was a mistake. it throws like a bear. apparently the oil caused it to spread the handles just enough to make it touchy however it does function correctly with a little TLC. I believe just tapping the rivits or a slight laser touch to the release hole circumference would cure it but it is original the ivory already has a co0uple of faults but it is all there, original and rare so I choose to leave it alone. Hell it could have already been through the civil war, spanish american, WWI WWII and everything since ( perhapes even earlier) so it is what it is,and it has earned a rest and a quiet place to be viewed

Tom come on over and pick out your parts. If I find them before then I will send them if I remember what they were and can find the email where to send. I felt sorry to see the knife shop close but the display cases will really help. I was asked to do a small show in May in Liberty NY for the local fire dept. May 14 and 15 if any one is in the area. I will have around 15 dozen American Schrade new old stock knives on the table ( when is the last time you went to a show and saw that many USA Schrades.) . We will also be recruiting for the museum I am even bringing a few copies of my book and hope to have a couple other surprises perhapes some complete imperial displays a Napanoch or two as well as whatever strikes my fancy. I have doubles and triples of alot of my own stuff . So if in the area stop by it is a fundraiser for the fire dept . It is at the old Sullivans dept store shopping center. Alot of the Schrades I will have for sale are stag and bone they came from a recently accquired collection of an ex employee. This stuff keeps getting harder to find.


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Thanks for the extra pics ::tu::

Very hard to read, but it could be Joseph Hawksley`s Celebrated

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Thank you for that original posting and all the photos. Wonderful stuff....:+)


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Hello to all who are still out there I know it has been a while. Suffice it to say there have been reasons not the least of which has been time. First of all a good thanks giving to all . NOW UPDATE. The permanent museum facility should be operable ( at least for holidays and special events this spring. Many of the engineering problems associated with activating an old building ( even though upgraded ) are myriad. Presently for anyone interested the temporary museum is still in the newly built building at my residence ( see pervious pics). We recently acquired a unique Napanoch AX collection as well as some display cases from the local hardware store from the 1800s. We also got wind that the local Gander mountain store was redoing there sporting goods section and got 11 of there displays at an excellant price. Those and the other display cases we have accquired have filled our needs in that respect. Electricity is on so is water and ( expensively heat.) Each of these factors while sounding simple have been a challange. Never have so few with so little tried to do so much. However we are getting closer. One thing I wanted to bring up is that we now are stamping membership cards with member and agent. Now this may not seem important but it is to those of us who are involved with automatic knives . As you know NYS law 265.01 makes possession of switchblade knife ( ie as well as various other items ) illegal to posesses in NYS
HOWEVER section 265.20 pertaining to that law ie Exemptions which include military personel, peace officers also exempts ie #6 the possession of a switchblade or gravity knife for use while hunting , trapping, or fishing by anyone carrying a valid license issued to him pursuant to section 11-0713 of the enivronmental conservation law ( ie a hunting fishing or trapping license. ). So that everyone is aware our state charter reads and I quote under section 2 item m reads as a portion of our purpose " to own hold echibit show or display automatic knives as defined in Penal Law Section 265.00 in compliance with the provisions of Education law Section 216-c. The reference to section 215-c is in regard to the bill I wrote which was signed into law on April 7 2008 . This allows and finally offers a legal manner and procedure in which these artifacts may be harvested, displayed, and studied. ( I am sorry this is so drawn out but it has been a difficult and rough road especially pretty much doing it without backing or help ).

In this bill now law we will ( presently until any other museum fullfills the requirments and can get the artifacts ) be the only museum in NYS which will be legally exhibiting automatic knives and similar artifacts. When I wrote this bill I was very much aware that in order for collectors and those who wish to save this viable part of American history needed a legal manner in which to transport, collect, display, and in general promoting the understanding of these items as well as having a place to show and discuss them. As a result of this need in my bill now law the following was included section 3.

" All applicants for a cutlery and knife museum subject to the provisions of this section , who plan to exhibit, show, or display automatic knives, shall be fingerprinted. Any other person thereafter seeking to become a director, officer, employee, or AGENT of such museum shall be fingerprinted. Such finger prints shall be submitted to the division of criminal justice services for a state criminal history record check, as defined in subdivision one of section three thousand thirty=five of this chapter and may be submitted to the federal bureau of investigation for a national criminal history record check.

What ths means is that if you have a pistol permit or at any time for any of a many reasons are on file with a criminal history record check you meet the criteria to be a member agent which allows possession of these items when acting as a represenative of the Warwasing historical and knife museum . Examples of this would be transporting to discussions ( perhapes to acquire items for the museum ) . We plan to have shows and meetings in which these items may need to be transported. Educationsl demonstrations and numerous other necessary instances where to promote the historical and educational history of these items it becomes necessary to have agent status. For this reason agent as well as member status is being added to anyone becoming a member of the historical society ( use of agent status is pursuant to the legality of the applicants ability to if necessary prove be on fingerprint file . )

This status also allows even those members from out of state who while in NYS are transporting these items or acting under museum business to be in possession of these items. Of course this also serves as a backup to those who may already fall under the exemption status critera regarding these items. peace officer ,military, hunting fishing trapping license.

This status is not designed to be a loophole in the law but to establish a legal venue for those who study , and enjoy these artifacts of our american past. It shows any agency or anyone concerned that just because you have an antique knife which opens with a spring in you possession it is not your goal to commit a crime with it. Of course if you have a machine gun next to it on the seat it might make it more difficult. Again please enjoy the holiday LT

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Thanks for the update LT ::tu::

Any new knife "Finds" to show off ::hmm:: :wink:

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