Knives Made Before The Year 1960

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Knives Made Before The Year 1960

Postby Miller Bro's » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:38 pm

I like old knives. I mostly collect knives made before 1965. I just don`t get too excited about knives made after the 1960`s. Knives are kind of like cars, after the 1960`s they went down hill. There are a few exceptions, of course.

The knives I really like are the ones made before the turn of the 20th century. They were all hand made, forged blades, very few machines to do the work of a human hand, like today`s knives. The oldies were made by craftsmen that apprenticed for years before being deemed a master cutler. Today you could go to a modern knife company, what few are left and if they are hiring, and they will put you right to work making knives after a few days of watching an experienced employee. Not the case in the 19th and early 20th century.

The knives produced during this period are some of the nicest old knives you will ever see.
As I have time I will be posting pictures of some of these early knives here in this thread. If anyone else has some post them here too ::nod::

Here is an early pre 1890 James Barber folding knife, 2-blades, half stops, grooved rat tail bolsters, and some of the nicest natural stag seen on an old knife. Steel bolsters, liners, and pins. A simple yet elegant knife made for the working man and sold for under $.75!

It has been used, carried, sharpened and still is in excellent working condition. You could put this one back to work for another lifetime. It is a proven winner and has earned my respect for the cutlers that made these knives way back when. :D
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Re: Knives Made Before The Year 1960

Postby glenn » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:48 pm

MB how long didthe Barber Co make pocket knives?
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Re: Knives Made Before The Year 1960

Postby Miller Bro's » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:59 pm

Glenn,

They were made between 1894-1944, or about 50 years.






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Re: Knives Made Before The Year 1960

Postby upnorth » Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:14 am

Nice old knife! That's the way stag should be fitted!
Here's an Empire from very near the turn of the last century;
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Re: Knives Made Before The Year 1960

Postby carvin don » Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:39 am

That's a beauty, Charlie. I have no knowledge concerning vintage knives, but I've been viewing old threads on here regarding vintage knives lately, and am ready to sell off the newer knives I have, you folks have some wonderful historical knives. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Knives Made Before The Year 1960

Postby Miller Bro's » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:48 am

Wow! Nice old Empire Charlie. The first I have seen with stag. :o

Here is another favorite New England company of mine. They made high quality knives and in lots of different patterns.

Here is one you won`t see everyday. It has four blades, tang stamped H &B
New Britain Ct. The company produced knives from 1852 till 1912, they sold out to L. F. & C.

This is the only example from this company I have ever owned that had natural stag handles.

Check out the back side of this one ::drool::

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Re: Knives Made Before The Year 1960

Postby upnorth » Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:38 am

Nice Humason and Beckley, Dimitri! An oldie for sure!!!
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Re: Knives Made Before The Year 1960

Postby upnorth » Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:19 am

Empire used a lot of stag actually, and often dyed it quite dark, possibly with potassium permanganate(sp?).
These are all genuine stag;
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Re: Knives Made Before The Year 1960

Postby Miller Bro's » Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:45 am

Charlie,

All those are very nice ::drool::

I don`t know exactly how the old companies dyed their bone. I do know it hasn`t been reproduced on new knives you see made today. I think it is a lost art.

I have some english knives that have that dark color stag handles. The english companies used stag much more on knives than did american companies during the same time period.


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Re: Knives Made Before The Year 1960

Postby smiling-knife » Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:05 pm

Very nice knives guys. Thanks for showing them.

glenn wrote:MB how long didthe Barber Co make pocket knives?


The James Barber name and trademark were owned by Thomas Ellin & Co. That was the maker of MB's knife. :D
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Re: Knives Made Before The Year 1960

Postby upnorth » Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:55 pm

As usual, S-K steps up to the plate!! ::tu:: Thanks from across the pond!!
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Re: Knives Made Before The Year 1960

Postby Owd Wullie » Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:20 pm

I'll drag out the old STACY from No 4 Newgate St. Those are the only markings and both blades are marked the same. It is unbelievable how hard the snap is on this old knife. Better have a good thumbnail if you plan to open it. It is smooth as silk as well.
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Re: Knives Made Before The Year 1960

Postby Miller Bro's » Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:32 am

Willie,

That Stacy is a great old knife. Grooved bolsters, square joint construction, that is why it has strong snap. Most all the early square joint constructed knives have strong snap, even after decades of use.

That Barber has strong snap as well.

Here now is another oldie. It is an Aaron Burkinshaw circa 1881-1920. Jigged bone handles, steel liners, bolsters, and pins. I find that the early knives used a lot of steel, liners, bolsters and pins.

After the 1930`s most all knives made had brass liners and pins, the fancy pearl models used nickle silver. Then around the start of WWII they had to use steel again, due to war time shortages.

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Re: Knives Made Before The Year 1960

Postby Just Plain Dave » Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:26 am

It goes without saying Wullie.... I LIKE that knife!

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Re: Knives Made Before The Year 1960

Postby Owd Wullie » Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:50 am

Thanks Dave,

I like EVERYTHING I've seen so far!!

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